Bass Pro CMP154 110

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Hi All,

I found this knife while out fishing in the bay. I got it for a grand sum of $27 + shipping, it looked like the dark color of the AG 110's and I saw what looked to be the Boss stamp on the back of the blade. Rolled the dice and when it came I was just as happy as it's the BP version....never had one. I also got this as the edge of the blade had some small chips and some here have said that was a problem with S30V blades (I have never had one chip on me in 6 years of hard work).

Now that I have it in hand it's a used BP CMP154 blade with chipping. Have any of you who use your CMP154 blades, had one chip like this? I don't know how the knife was used before it came to me, so I don't know what they were doing to chip it????? Also, do the BP knives have the same lifetime sharpening that the AG knives do? Can someone who has a BP 110 post a photo of your knife and sheath...the sheath is a brown color, but, the brown was put over a Burgundy color...not sure what that's about, not sure if the past owner added some color or not?

Also, I was surprised that the BP coating is almost as dark as my AG 110's gloss black color. I have added some photos for your review and comments.
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jb4570
 
It's a powder steel.

Somebody used it too hard cutting hard stuff.

That's the way it is.

Get it sharpened up and use it for skinning and processing meat and you'll do just fine.

Pretty good deal for $27.

:)
 
Mine is the same as the one Bad shows in the photo. I don't know how people get these to chip. I've used mine A Lot skinning, cutting up chicken, ect..? Perhaps they are whittleing or abusing them. With me the BP takes a little better edge and holds it better than the AG. I'm sure they carry the sharpening warranty. Thats a great buy. DM
 
Dave & Bob,

Thanks for the photos. Bob's knife has the same stamps as the one I got....the CPM154 is half under the bolster. Dave's sheath is the color that is under the brown on my sheath. I'll be sending this one off to buck for a spa treatment.
jb4570
 
David Martin said:
I don't know how people get these to chip. I've used mine A Lot skinning, cutting up chicken, ect..?
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Yep... Skinning, and cutting up chicken, are jobs that powder steel was designed for. When I've tried S30V and CPM154 blades at work, stripping wire/cutting plastic/scraping paint & glue & sealants, I've chipped several.
 
David Martin said:
I don't know how people get these to chip. I've used mine A Lot skinning, cutting up chicken, ect..? Perhaps they are whittling or abusing them.
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Whittling!!! Well, a Powder Steel blade like CPM or S30V can usually handle whittling, Dave. Soap and soft wood won't hurt it.

Better to stick with processing deer, though.....these steels hold up well in cutting flesh--not so much with heavy use in cutting hard substances.

The guy that had this one probably cut some bone or wire or something and then got mad when it chipped and got rid of it quick on e-Bay.

Treat the powder steel edge well and it will last a long time and never chip or break, especially those from Buck.
 
I have the 154 cm i guess thats different from 154cpm,so i guess i can't comment.The s30v is powder steel also,haven't seen ANY chipping and i've used 2 AG 110's and one AG vanguard with zero problems,includinjg splitting the pelvis on big game like deer and bear,using a hachet is the norm but i wanted to see what if so i tried my knives,NO CHIPPING anywhere,thats good enough for me,also split some kindling with rthe vanguard to see how the coating held up,this black widow coating is VERY DURABLE,only the AG logos wore off,which i don't really care either way,the knives are great!Chipping onn that knife could be from just closing it,lots seem to chip right there that i've seen in stores that have been handled and snapped shut!
 
Here we go again. How many times have we seen this put forth from this guy who does no testing but is so sure he knows Exactly what has occured on a knife w/ the powder metalurgy. The knifes from an unknown owner w/ an unknown history. DM
 
Well, we may not know the history exactly, but we know he cut something harder than soap.

:D

Some knives made of powder steel hold up and some few do chip.....problem is, how do you know which ones will chip and when? Maybe at the worst possible time?

I think they've backed off on the Rockwell scale a bit in recent years with the powder steels so the problems have diminished accordingly.

Still, I want a knife that I KNOW for sure I can trust, so I stick with steels that don't have a "P" (for powder) in their name.

Plenty to choose from with millions of perfectly good 110s of 440C out there still in excellent condition.

;)
 
BG42EDGE said:
Well, we may not know the history exactly, but we know he cut something harder than soap.

:D

Some knives made of powder steel hold up and some few do chip.....problem is, how do you know which ones will chip and when? Maybe at the worst possible time?

I think they've backed off on the Rockwell scale a bit in recent years with the powder steels so the problems have diminished accordingly.

Still, I want a knife that I KNOW for sure I can trust, so I stick with steels that don't have a "P" (for powder) in their name.

Plenty to choose from with millions of perfectly good 110s of 440C out there still in excellent condition.

;)
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Well I'll just have to add this to your comment BG. Not long ago I got a 112 three line, Micarta scales, 440C blade. The knife is perfect in almost mint condition, except for a chip in the edge of the blade. Just about the same spot as the CPM154 110. So if you use the knife/tool wrong bad things can happen. I'll try to get a photo of the 112 up soon.
jb4570
 
Makes no difference. I don't base my opinion on one knife, but on many bad reports about powder steels ever since they were invented just a few years ago.

You can Google your little heart out and you find hardly any similar complaints about ATS-34, BG-42, 420HC, CM154, D2, A2, 1095, etc.

I trust 440C due to 40 years experience with superb results.

Trust the powder steels? Not so much. I've heard many bad things about them in just the few years they've been around.

As I said, I think things are getting better with the powder steels since knifemakers have backed off a little on the Rockwell.

I don't mind that you love the powder steels. I'm happy for you.

As is my right, I will use something else.

:)
 
Well,not to hijack this thread,but i've got a ag 110 that is going for a new blade as my buddy snapped the tip prying something 5 minutes after i told him "DO NOT PRY WITH MY KNIFE"He is payingn the cost for a re-blade.SOOOO,I figured i might as well see what this steel can handle,i beat it through pelvic bones on bears/deer,split kindling with a wooden hammer pounding on the back spine,and still no damage except snapped tip,i dunno it seems Buck got the recipe right on their"powder"steels.
 
Great anecdote (sorry about your knife).

I'm impressed.

As soon as we stop hearing so many opposing stories of chipped edges on powder steel.......I'll be a convert.

Until then--all the spirited and bombastic evangelism is wasted.

:)
 
RAZORBLADES said:
Well,not to hijack this thread,but i've got a ag 110 that is going for a new blade as my buddy snapped the tip prying something 5 minutes after i told him "DO NOT PRY WITH MY KNIFE"He is payingn the cost for a re-blade.SOOOO,I figured i might as well see what this steel can handle,i beat it through pelvic bones on bears/deer,split kindling with a wooden hammer pounding on the back spine,and still no damage except snapped tip,i dunno it seems Buck got the recipe right on their"powder"steels.
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Thanks for your in-put and your real life hard field testing of Buck's powdered steel knives RB! It just proves what all of us users have been saying for some time now.....Buck's heat treatment helps to make this steel fantastic for our needs.
jb4570
 
Thanks to all three, David Martin, jb4570 and RAZORBLADES. You are three (amoung many) who have put the knives through real life uses and uses for which they are designed. You are the one's who have on many occasions, shown pictoral evidence of that usage (unlike many others) and the results.

It's that type of evidence and those types of recommendations that mean something to me.
 
Unfortunately, three anecdotal experiences of the "Me and Willie skun 14 deer" and "Me and Jethro beat it thru the engine block of a Hemi Dodge Ram" type really don't mean a thing......they are irrelevant.

The larger body of testing and reporting, however, means a lot.

The clear and obvious lack of a similar amount of complaints and chipping reports on ATS-34, BG-42, 420HC, CM154, D2, A2, 1095 speaks volumes as well.

Thus I come to my conclusion based not on stories from a couple of buddies, but instead, the larger world's conclusions about the powder steels.

However, when the larger world of knife users stops reporting so many troubling failures of powder steel (and some time goes by with such good reporting).....I'll happily become a member of the powder steel congregation. I may even sing in the choir.

Not before.

And, as I said before......I do entertain the possibility that it could happen.

:)
 
The only buck knife i've ever seen chip from actual use and not abuse was a 425 m blade,and i have no idea why it chipped so easily,but i tried several different angles and basically it still chipped out.I have another 425 m 119 that will do it all,and doesn't show any signs of chipping after heavy use.
 
BG42EDGE said:
Well, we may not know the history exactly, but we know he cut something harder than soap.

:D

Some knives made of powder steel hold up and some few do chip.....problem is, how do you know which ones will chip and when? Maybe at the worst possible time?

I think they've backed off on the Rockwell scale a bit in recent years with the powder steels so the problems have diminished accordingly.

Still, I want a knife that I KNOW for sure I can trust, so I stick with steels that don't have a "P" (for powder) in their name.

Plenty to choose from with millions of perfectly good 110s of 440C out there still in excellent condition.

;)
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Here is another photo of a chipped blade....of the "perfectly good 440C" steel. I know it's only one knife, 1 chipped CPM154 and 1 chipped 440C (1-1=0 or equal). I stand by what I see in my hands. So, bg's point of not using hearsay and that's all he ever refers to, when he try's to make a point. These are photo's of knives form different owners that had them chip during use, who knows what they were doing when they chipped....but, chip they did.
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I have never used a CPM154 blade, only S30V blades and I have not had one chip. Before this thread one forum member has always took it upon themselves to bash S30V steel in every thread it's been talked about. I started this thread because I now have one of the CPM154 blades, it's used and chipped by it old owner. Now the S30V basher just jumped to bashing all powder steel blades;).

I'm sorry to all of the great folks who come to the Buck section of the BF to chat about knives and have a good time. Forum members don't want to read a one man crusade to bash any knife or steel. I will close this thread to stop the crusader form killing another of my threads. Anyway the CPM154 110 will get sent to Buck for a spa treatment and then will join my AG 110 in the deer camp and EDC rotation.
jb4570
 
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