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Baton a Folder or GB Hand Axe?

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I'm looking to help my son's scout den learn the basics of fire craft. I was horrified that at both the cub scout/webelo, AND boy scout events we've been to this past year or so, the adult leaders started the communal camp fire with a PROPANE TORCH!!! What a lost opportunity to teach basic skills. And for me at least, playing with fire (safely), is so fun and satisfying at some deep down level.

Anyway, I was wondering what you guys would recommend for processing kindling during a scouting weekend. No fixed blades alowed in our Pack/Troop (not looking for the debate of whether that makes sense, or if it's really a scout rule or not; want to abide by the local rule, right or wrong--though I'll probably wear my Mora clipper around my neck under my shirt just in case). I tried batoning 1 inch-ish diameter sticks this morning to see how the folder I was using would handle it, and like you guys might expect, the blade started to get wiggly. I was using a WK-2. http://http://www.cloudberrymarket.com/servlet/the-753/high-carbon-folder%2C-finnish/DetailI hope to be able to tighten it back up. I know there're some safety concerns with batoning w/ a folder, but was wondering if you guys know of a folder that was safe enough, and durable enough to baton with.

Alternatively, I would love an excuse to buy the new little GB Hand Axe. No doubt it's sharp and durable enough for processing kindling. Short handle doesn't maximize the usefulness of a hatchet/axe, but I imagine the weight fo the head would give me enough for processing fine kindling. Small enough to be easily packed. I already have and love the SFA (and large splitting axe), but I think the SFA might be a little large for casual day hikes with the scouts.

Thanks for any suggestions!! William
 
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Wetterlings are less expenzive than GB, but I hear that they can be just as good. The biggest wetterlings is half the price of most GB. A less expensive alternative if you want an axe, though I have no experiance with either.
 
I have the little Wetterlings. I have only had it for a few days, so far I like it a lot.

The GB is similar( a little lighter), I think it would be much better than using a folder to make kindling.

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Definitely the GB axe, doesn't make sense not to use one if it's an option. Much safer and more efficient than trying to do the same job with a folder.

The whole blowtorch to start a fire thing does explain why the last three eagle scouts I went camping with over the years couldn't start a fire.
 
Hey, I have run into the same kind of thing. I cant help with a folder but I would consider a less expensive alternative of a Estwing Camp axe (I think thast what its called). While to large/heavy for backpacking, it is the model with a light weight head (hatchet) but longer handle (maybe 2 feet). Has the famous one piece (indestructable) construction and allows the boys, with instructions, to learn woodcraft skills. Not good for chopping but enough for splitting and kindling work. Dont pass up the excuse to get a better GB or Wetterling tho and happy souting.
 
Just to make sure I did not misunderstand. A fixed blade is a no-go, but a hatchet is O.K.?
 
The GB mini is a lot more tool than its' size would suggest.

It's quite capable of breaking up deadfall limbs for kindling....

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..and stripping bark for a shelter...
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Hey, you can even carve tools for the camp kitchen with it ....
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It will also hammer in tent pegs :D
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IMO, a hatchet like the GB mini is a very capable tool that's worth carrying outdoors :thumbup:


Hope this helps.




Kind regards
Mick
 
The GB mini is a lot more tool than its' size would suggest.
It's quite capable of breaking up deadfall limbs for kindling....
IMO, a hatchet like the GB mini is a very capable tool that's worth carrying outdoors :thumbup:
Hope this helps.
Kind regards
Mick

Plus one on this. The Mini is my chopper when out and about. Doesn't quite out perform my 14" Gerber but it sure does keep up with it.

You can however get kindling from a saw as well if the troop is totally crazy about blades. Can't see anyone frowning down on a pruning saw.
 
The main reason that I'd use the hatchet is so that the scouts will get to see how it should be done properly. If you use a folder you just know that it will get fixed in their minds that it's a good way to do it. We all know it can be done but these young kids probably won't have the type of quality folder that I'd consider adequate for that type of work, and it will lead to many screwed up knives.
 
The main reason that I'd use the hatchet is so that the scouts will get to see how it should be done properly. If you use a folder you just know that it will get fixed in their minds that it's a good way to do it. We all know it can be done but these young kids probably won't have the type of quality folder that I'd consider adequate for that type of work, and it will lead to many screwed up knives.

Great point. Thanks!
 
I'd go with the small forest axe rather than the mini. Using a mini is dependent on skills already present, whereas learning them is much easier done with a little bit bigger axe (IMO).

I think it's about 19 inches total length, pound n' a half head. Just about as big as you'ld want to carry and big enough to do a job. I've got the same size in an ancient firestone axe, and it's always a toss up which one I don't want to use worst..the heirloom or the brand new one..
 
If you need to split wood with a folder either make a wedge like the siguy video above, or disengage the lock when you baton to avoid breaking it. Just pull down on the handle and baton the tip.
 
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