Baying cheap is expensive

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Pietje010

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Hay there,

You all know that when you buy something cheap it will be more expansive then buying something for a bit more money. Cars, power-tools etcetera, but especially knives. Now I have a to make a choice of baying a Ontario SP2 air force survival or a 15 euro less expensive Clock 78 field knife. Bough a good bang for you bug, is It ??? What’s you advise.
I will mainly use it for cutting rope and small trees down, chopping/slicing wood and hunting
 
Give him a break, English is probably not his first language judging by his currency preference. I'd go with the Ontario, myself.
 
madcap_magician said:
Give him a break, English is probably not his first language judging by his currency preference. I'd go with the Ontario, myself.
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Ditto, since I have heard negative things about the edge holding on the glock knives.
 
OT but I just noticed that there is no longer a "Location" for some posters. Is that something new? I remember lots of users whose English was not the best, but their location explained it very well and in fact made me jealous because there ain't no way I could speak THEIR lingo as well as they spoke mine.

:)
 
Lavan said:
OT but I just noticed that there is no longer a "Location" for some posters.
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Some people don't choose to put anything in the location field.
 
I recall the issue against the Glock knives was the edge holding.

The choice probably comes down to what your using it for. Prying, digging, etc.

I recall a mention of both knives on the form. Try the google search with "site:bladeforums.com" thing. I know they have been discussed.
 
Some people don't choose to put anything in the location field.
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And some never looked in the "Profile" options.
duhhh. Thanks. Just edited mine.
 
Although the title cant be chanced, the spelling is a bit better now. I’m trying but English isn’t my native language (I’m Dutch) so give it a break. Back to the knives!

The Glock is a bit cheaper and looks, well how to say it…‘sexy’. But in the shop it felt more like a fighting/stabbing knife then a outdoor user. No cutting body and to light weight. Although the balance and sheath are great. So I went for the Ontario SP2. If I can believe the salesman there are bought tough knifes. The Ontario is just more what I was looking for. Good handle, not to large and (I think) it will be a good work knife for outdoor using. Carrying my Leatherman Wave next to it for the smaller jobs, a good combination. [Edit later:] and one or two wire saw’s. Do’s anyone now how error free they are??

Thanks for all of your quick responses!
 
I think the Glock is a exalent Knife for the money, and would work well for the tasks you described, i once used mine to pry open the hood of a jeep, and i would say it wholeds an edge well.
 
I think that you made a good choice picking the Air Force Survival over the Glock. Glock was derived from a bayonet and is probably not a very good choice for the purposes that you listed. The blade is too light to make it an efficient chopper; too long for a hunting knife and the steep bayonet grinds are poor for slicing.


The Air Force Survival knife makes a better field knife, though perhaps still not ideal (it was intended primarily as a tool for aviators to free themselves from downed aircraft). The Pilot’s Survival combined with a Wave does make a very good combination.



When it comes to bang for the Cold Steel Bushman or Mini-Bushman are hard to beat…very good/near indestructible field knives (can be used as a throwing knife or a spearhead)…very low cost.



If you are willing to spend more a SOG Revolver is a good choice….the blades are not too big for efficient use as hunting knives and you have a built in wood saw for “chopping”.



If you want a real chopper, I would recommend an Ontario 12” Machete (I preferred the 12” Ontario to the when I tried it side by side with a Becker BK9, Cold Steel LTC, Martindale Paratrooper and No. 2 Golok…a little awkward for the small stuff, but is pretty hard to beat when teamed up with a good multitool or Swiss Army knife.



Others you may want to look at: Becker BK7, Ka-Bar (and similar knives made by Camillus and Ontario) and some of the other Spec Plus or Freedom Fighter series Ontarios. Even the old AKM bayonet makes a fair field knife once you put a decent edge on it!



Enjoy your new knife and welcome to Blade Forums!






- Frank
 
Pietje010 said:
You all know that when you buy something cheap it will be more expansive then buying something for a bit more money.
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Goede dag, Peitje010!

Quote time!

“QUALITY
Is like buying oats!
If you want nice, clean oats, you must pay a fair price; however if you can be satisfied with oats that have already been through the horse - that comes a little cheaper!!” Anon.


"There is hardly a product of our culture that someone cannot make a little worse and sell for a little less, and the one who puts price above all other considerations is the natural prey for this man." John Ruskin
 
Great advice Frank!
Glock is a toy, fun to twirl in the sheath..it's an "assassins tool" more than a camping tool.
I have a Glock, but carry it on my fishing vest for small chores & protection.
 
A few weeks later ather i bought the Ontario SP2 i also bought the Glock FN 78. The Ontario is wasn’t the knife that I was looking for. The edge was must to thick for cutting wood and stuff but the “saw” on the back did it. How can you saw something whit that thin!!! Its only in you way when cutting stuff like rope and clothes. I already sold it and didn’t lost a lot of money on it.

The Glock is a decent knife. Also thick but the edge surface is much thinner therefore very usable and easy to sharpen. And occasionally a decent crowbar. Till now it’s a good knife for light outdoor use. Maby I will buy a good chopper later like the BK7 or RAT7 (other thread)
 
Last time I tried on of the PSK sawbacks on wood I wasn’t too impressed.


To refresh my memory, I cut some green hardwood (sassafras?) braches today using a Ontario Pilot’s survival knife. After a lot of sawing I was rewarded with a wide, very shallow notch and a bunch of badly clogged saw teeth – not surprising considering that the PSK’s saw is not intended to cut wood, but rather aluminum aircraft fuselages. After even more sawing on a seasoned maple branch, I was rewarded with an even shallower notch.


For comparison, I dug out a old East German AKM bayonet (the only other blade with a saw back that I have) and tried it on the same green and seasoned hardwood – the results were a little better than the PSK, at least it seems that the saw was designed to cut wood, but it's a lot of work compared to a SAK saw. I would consider the AKM saw back adequate for green wood up to about 1 – 2”…..if you‘re ready for a work out.


The PSK makes a better chopper than it dose a saw. I found that it to be capable of chopping green branches (with a lot more effort than would be needed for a SAK saw) as long as the diameter is not too big (maybe 1 ½ -2” max.). The AKM bayo did not chop quite as well as the PSK, but it was close. A Buck short Nighthawk (5 ¼” blade) out chopped both the PSK and the AKM bayo by a small margin, but I would not consider any of these to be really adequate for the seasoned maple.


The 7” blades are better choppers, but I consider them to be marginal on the seasoned hard wood. I tried a Becker BK7, an Ontario Marine Combat (Ka-Bar clone), and a Cold Steel Bushman. The BK7 chopped best for me, followed by the Ontario Marine and the Bushman. Not a huge difference between them and chopping performance seemed to favor blade heaviness. Even on the green wood I would have preferred a SAK saw to any of these, but these 7” blades can start to give a SAK saw some competition on the more easily chopped wood.


On the green wood a Becker BK9 and an Ontario SP5 Bowie chopped faster and with less effort than a SAK could saw and would about equal one on the seasoned wood - definitely a big step up for the 7” blades when it comes to chopping. In this case, the Ontario chopped a little better than the Becker.


Personally, I would rather use a SAK saw than any of the above 5-7” blades for cutting wood and I would not bother with sawbacks at all. If you want a saw with more performance than a SAK saw get a Gerber/Fiskars pruning saw – one of these will blow away any of the above knives for cutting wood fast and efficiently (saws are safer too!).


If you must have a blade with a wood saw on it, get a SOG Revolver - the saws on the Revolvers really work.





- Frank
 
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