BCCI membership 4 sale, "com'on man"

gsea

gsea

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Maybe it is just me, but someone is selling a lifetime BCCI membership on the big site. 1. Is this just wrong or it is me? 2. Would the membership even be recognized by the BCCI with a different owner? The person is advertising all the perks that comes with it. IMO this is pretty low and doesn't seem that the BCCI would even endorse something like this. I am not posting the name but there is a pic of the card in the auction.
p.s. this guys calls himself a knife maker .... yeah I'd buy from him.
 
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Wow! Talk about switching identities.
Would that come with a lifetime unreceived buck mailers?
 
I know BCCI officers would sniff this out and not recognize the new owner of that number. DM
 
OK, just because I am on BCCI board that doesn't mean I know everything......but this is highly questionable. I have seen his bay name used on Blade Forums . So, he might be a visitor of the Buck forum.

To him I highly suggest he contact club President John Foresman, see sticky above. I base this opinion in that a lifetime membership in something means the person who buys the membership. If it was transferable a lifetime membership would be called a 'forever' membership. Sort of like taxes.

This thread going to BCCI Pres and VPres. Thanks for pointing it up gsea. 300Bucks
 
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Assuming this sold, the question is whether the buyer has a "lifetime membership" or a "lifetime membership card". There is a difference. Also, this is not a first. I remember seeing something similar in the classified ads of the club newsletter years ago.

Bert
 
This is from the by-laws of the club.
SECTION 2.12 MEMBERSHIP NUMBER TRANSFERS.

The membership number is transferable, assignable, or assumable upon death of member or by mutual agreement between member and a willing party. A transfer fee as designated by the Board of Directors will be charged and upon payment of that fee, along with the appropriate membership dues, the lowest available number will be assigned or in the case of mutual agreement, the member's number will be transferred.

so I guess he can sell his no#
 
Interesting, What is the difference between a lifetime membership and a lifetime card? The by-law confuses me, is just the number transferable or the actual membership. If this card/membership does sell I hope they know about the transfer fee.
 
well I guessing here, but it looks to me that if this sells there going to be a fee (undetermined) a lifetime fee of 250.00, or I guess you could do an annual, and all your buying is the no# so unless you want that no#, you'd be better off just buying a new membership ! We,ll just have to wait to see what John and the board say . And as I say that's just my interpretation of it.
 
That was exactly what my thought was and the only reason I could see a person wanting a specific number might be a father passing and a son/daughter wanting his number or other situations involving a death and family members. Thanks for getting the info Tim.
 
George,

What I was trying to say is that the "lifetime membership" would confer all benefits. The "lifetime card" might be like buying an old license plate, collectible but not useable.
 
We will hear the official BCCI word shortly. Tim's factoid is correct.

My statement only: A person cannot sell his membership and its benefits, they can sell the number as explained above. But, a fee to transfer that number to another Lifetime member will be charged by the club. As stated if you are not a BCCI lifetime member but decided you had to have someone's number who was offering if for sale, you would be required to buy a full price lifetime membership from the club and THEN pay a fee to have the number transferred.

Or in other words Windancer better be talking to the club officers before taking someone's money.

I or some other BCCI board member will issue a official reply to the situation.

300Bucks
 
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300

Thank you. As a lifetime member, I'm glad to hear your statement on the matter. If you want to be in the club, you need to pay your dues.
 
OK,

This is from the President of the Club in reply to my question. The ability to buy a lifetime membership and number, IS possible by current bylaws. (As Tim stated above) This was enacted in the past and was intended to allow the passing down of a number and LT Membership to a family member (i.e. Parent to child) or some other type of special inheritance type situation. This is not specifically stated in the enacted bylaw. With the payment of a $50 fee you may "inherit" a LT membership with number, without paying the current LT membership cost. The current bylaw does not keep someone from openly selling their LT membership, but it does then require a buyer to pay the additional fee to actually have it transferred.

So, as I understand it, if you want to quit the club you could sell your LT membership at a discount to someone else then they pay the fee. Lets see, I charge 25 and you pay 50 transfer fee, hey a $75 LT membership. What do you say on this Tim, as the one who has studied this....
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In behind the scene's Board discussions on this situation there is the need that it be addressed in the upcoming board meeting at the Blade Show and a better thought out bylaw enacted. BCCI members may want to express their opinions either here, or in emails to the club website.

My personal opinion is the current bylaw is being circumvented in it's intent by offering the selling of a members LTmembership to the public. The attempt in providing a way of connection to a past special relationship may open up a can of worms we should not be involved with. Let's say there are two children in a LT members family, the membership then becomes a item that must be addressed in a will and would be subject to legal action in the fight over its possession. I do know you cannot will your Life Time Hunting or Fishing license to someone and when you pass away your SS number eventually gets recycled to someone else. As I have said voice an opinion and discussion will take place by the BCCI board.

300
 
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Personally Lifetime membership means YOUR LIFETIME not anyone else. I can see handing down member numbers as it might be neat to have the same numbers has say your father. IMO the character of the person comes into play when they decide to no longer want to participate in the organization and then tries to profit. I won't be having a beer with this guy I can tell you that. Hopefully no one will buy this. His starting bid is $125, plus he will piss of his buyer when he finds out about the transfer fee.
 
Maybe the transfer fee should equal the cost for a lifetime membership at the time of transfer. That would allow someone to have the number of an earlier member, something I do not understand, but it would discourage selling of memberships. During a quick glance at the bylaws I did not see that the cost of the transfer fee is specified.

. A transfer fee as designated by the Board of Directors will be charged and upon payment of that fee, along with the appropriate membership dues, the lowest available number will be assigned or in the case of mutual agreement, the member's number will be transferred.
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The way I read this part of the bylaws there is some ambiguity. It could be read as requiring payment of the transfer fee and the lifetime membership dues. Maybe the board should look at the phrasing.

Bert
 
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Well 300 , Im really not against it ,I like the idea of allowing the passing down of a number and LT Membership to a family member (i.e. Parent to child) or some other type of special inheritance type situation. Although all my Grand-kids and one of my sons already have lifetime memberships. So the other two sons can fight over my membership!! And I believe my life membership has value! I love being a part of this club. The people make the club and we have some of the best ,givers of their time, money,and willingness to help others with displaying and knowledge of Buck knives!

This guys selling his membership, I don't see it much different than buying club knives then selling them at a profit on the other site. I bought many club knives off the big site at more than they sold for by the club, they were no longer available from the club ,so someone made a profit on them. If this guy no longer wants to be part of the club I say so be it . Maybe the next person will be very active and a future hall of fame nominee.I look forward to meeting him or her.I love meeting club members.

and if that's the by-laws then that's the by-lays, till changed . Ill bet you don't see a lot of memberships go up for sell !!! I know I'm keeping mine,but if any of you want to join let me know, and I'll sure help you join, I'm working on that membership drive knife !!!

and 300 your way under estimating the value of your membership no!!!
 
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When I bought my life membership I thought it applied to me and me alone. Would be nice for the club to allow one of my sons to transfer my # if they were interested I suppose but I would expect them to pay the full price at that time (or I should have paid for them already).

Not sure the club is set up to monitor the sale of #'s as if they were a commodity. Opens a big can of worms. Should low #'s be auctioned off if they are not transferred to someone? Is it right for a kid to have a # much lower than a member who has been in the club 40yrs since the kid got his from his grandfather? I believe in keeping it simple and wouldn't allow any transfers at all, keep it simple and easy to track over time.

I think it's a bit sketchy, even if allowed, for him to sell his membership. Just doesn't smell right to me.
 
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So, as I understand it, if you want to quit the club you could sell your LT membership at a discount to someone else then they pay the fee. Lets see, I charge 25 and you pay 50 transfer fee, hey a $75 LT membership. What do you say on this Tim, as the one who has studied this....

300
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As I understand this, this is not quite correct. As tim488 has correctly stated, the club by-laws state "the MEMBERSHIP NUMBER is transferable, assignable, or assumable upon death of a member or by mutual agreement between a member and a willing party. A transfer fee as designated by the Board of Directors will be charged and upon payment of that fee, ALONG WITH THE APPROPRIATE MEMBERHIP DUES, the lowest available number will be assigned or in the case of mutual agreement, the member's number will be transferred."

It is important to understand here that the by-laws only state that the NUMBER is transferable. not the (original) MEMBERSHIP of the seller. It is also important to remember that the number being sold may belong to a member who currently pays yearly dues rather than having a paid lifetime membership. Therefore, a non-club member could assume this new (transferable number) by paying the TRANSFER FEE and the APPROPRIATE MEMBERSHIP DUES of the seller (either yearly or lifetime). The by-laws are somewhat ambiguous in regards to the buyer already being a paid club current member, but it would seem logical that the buyer would have to at least match the current membership (either yearly or lifetime) and appropriate dues of the seller. (If the buyer is already a lifetime member, he would have already done that so no additional membership dues would appear to be necessary).

Bottom line here, at least as I see it, is that there is no way that a current non-member is going to assume a lifetime membership for the $50 transfer fee plus what ever amount the seller is making as a profit to sell his number.
 
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