Becker Sheath Inconsistencies with MOLLE?

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Ok so I mentioned in a Bk-10 thread about how I was not happy with the new sheath MOLLE webbing spacing.

I decided to dedicate a whole thread to just this topic.

Any input, pictures, experiences, and ideas about how you all attach your MOLLE gear would be greatly appreciated.

I have a few Maxpedition bags and backpacks with webbing and I attach different pouches and also some of my Becker knives.
The first Becker sheath that I ever had with the webbing was for the tweeners. I think that they fit awesome and I have had no problems what so ever with them. How ever some of the larger Becker knife sheaths are not as perfect.

The biggest problem I see is the distance from the last webbing to the snap.
Example: My BK15/16/17 sheaths have enough space to fit the webbing.
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See how how webbing can fit with no problem? ( I'm just using a same size strap for example)
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It fits nicely on the pack and the strap is woven thru 5 different webbings for maximum security.
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This is my shortened Bk16 sheath that I usually carry on my packs. It fits great And has never come off or even unsnapped.
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My Bk5 sheath used to work great as well until today. I'll show you why in a minute.
But first let's look at the snap spacing.
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Just right! can fit the strap thru no problem.

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But, look what just happened?
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Are you kidding me? I barely even pulled on it????? Ugh… OK moving on.

This is how my BK4, BK9, and BK10 sheaths spacing is. (Just going to show one of them, but all are the same)
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So when webbing is passed thru you get this when snapped……
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How can this be a good thing? The snap wants to come unsnapped from the pressure of the webbing?
Is this the Norm? Who designed the spacing and why is it not consistent on all the knives? To me this seems like a big deal?

So on the BK9 sheath it isn't that big of a deal because I can just skip the last strap because there plenty of webbings on the sheath because it is so long. But on the BK 10 sheath, It is just awful.
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The sheath is only held on by three points. It is sagging at both ends and I would not trust it for a minute unless it is tied on for security.

Not to mention the huge gap at the top.
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You can actually fit two straps thru it.
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I just can't understand why Ka-bar would not standardize the webbing?

Now on a side note, My favorite knife, the BK12 has a sheath with a whole different MOLLE configuration.
The spaces are way to big and you can't weave every other one like all my other gear with Webbing.
I have to do a strap or two at the top and then a strap or two at the bottom when it lines up again.
I don't have a picture of it on my pack but here you can see how they don't line up next to the BK9 sheath.
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And here is how much space is between straps.
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So that's it for now but I would like to hear your comments and know if your sheaths are the same as mine.

Thanks!
 
Mine also has a bit of extra spacing at the top, but contacts my pack in 5 spots combined between the sheath and the pack. Also I tugged pretty good on the strap to see if it would pull off or begin to fail. It is solid. Aside from the upper most feed through, the rest of the webbing lines up.

My pack is a Condor 3 day Assault Pack. Don't know if that makes a difference.

 
Dex,

I'm in. (Thanks Psyop) Sorry for the inconvenience. Let me investigate and see what's happening. I'm sort of away from the daily quality/inspection duties but I still have input in that area. I'll get some people on it.

Best Regards,

Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
 
Dex,

I've checked with our Quality people.
They are contacting our sheath sub contractor. They will move the snap assembly so the MOLLE Straps will not scrunch up near the snap. They will also put extra HD stitching on the threading strap.
Please send your BK-5 Sheath in and we will replace it.
Hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
 
Dex,

I've checked with our Quality people.
They are contacting our sheath sub contractor. They will move the snap assembly so the MOLLE Straps will not scrunch up near the snap. They will also put extra HD stitching on the threading strap.
Please send your BK-5 Sheath in and we will replace it.
Hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives

If this ain't amazing AND extremely swift customer support, I don't know what is. Props to you and the guys and girls at Ka-Bar. You rock!
 
KA-BAR - the 'go to' knife for 115 years. I have had several and am familiar with the quality. Now I know their service and customer support are top notch too. Kudos to ToooJ!!
 
Dayum!!! That's the craziest thing I've ever seen! Tooj you are amazing!!! Kabar just earned a spot in the Customer Service Hall of Fame!!!!

I'm all out of exclamation points so I guess I'm done .:D
 
Dex,

I've checked with our Quality people.
They are contacting our sheath sub contractor. They will move the snap assembly so the MOLLE Straps will not scrunch up near the snap. They will also put extra HD stitching on the threading strap.
Please send your BK-5 Sheath in and we will replace it.
Hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives

WOW!!

Thanks Toooj!! You guys are so awesome. This is one of the many reasons why I recommend Ka-bar knives to anyone and everyone I know looking to buy a new blade.

Here are a couple more pics for reference of the different size spacing. As long as there is one inch of space from the edge of snap to the webbing strap it will be perfect.

This is my BK5 sheath with perfect spacing. (minus the strap malfunction)
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This is one of my two BK4 sheaths. Very small space.
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That should give a more precise measurement of the differences. I checked 9 of my BK sheaths that have MOLLE and all have a slightly different spacing at the snap.

Thanks again Toooj.
I don't know any other company in the world that would have an issue with a product fixed this fast. You all at Ka-bar really do take care of your customers, listen to our concerns, and always make things better.
Just awesome. That's all I can say.
 
It isn't only their customer service that is amazing. The knives are pretty nice too!

If you can't compliment the moderators, just don't bother posting. :p
Top notch on this thread. Good information with excellent visuals. Great response.
 
This kind of info and responses are exactly what brought me to the forums. I own a few Beckers, and have never had a single issue with them, but its amazing to know that this level of support is there if I do.
 
Outstanding!! This is how it should be and why I ALWAYS recommend Ka-Bar and Becker knives to everyone that asks.
 
If you can't compliment the moderators, just don't bother posting. :p
Top notch on this thread. Good information with excellent visuals. Great response.

just compliment the guy who does all the hard work, and it's good :) see: database ;)

yah yah.

really good customer service though. gotta like that.

maybe i should measure my sheaths :D
 
If you can't compliment the moderators, just don't bother posting. :p
Top notch on this thread. Good information with excellent visuals. Great response.
I figured I had shown my <3 for the mods... :( My apologies!

Although I don't know who the mods on the Ka-Bar subforum are... Is that bad?

The Biscuit, The Moose, and Bladite really do work hard to make sure all us scally-wags stay in check.
 
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