becker swedge question

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anyone elses swedge grind uneven? noticed it today on my 9 (i noticed it originally on the 10) I was getting her ready to grind the swedge to a clip point to match the 10, and noticed this: I tried to sand down the uneven steel thats the scratches you see. now dont get me wrong im not complaining, it does nothing performance wise and im going grind it off anyway (well most of it, you can see that one side is actually LONGER than the other) just wondering if anyone else has seen the same thing

good symmetrical swedge

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longer side

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top view to show the difference in length marks show the end of the grind

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they're ground by hand, and not CNCed. as well, they are not high dollar customs. consider it unique character.
 
What Bladite said, though if you bent the tip enough, they might look even. :eek: :D
You could probably hand sand that left side enough that it would look really close.
 
yeah, the swedge grind on my 10 is a little goofy. The sides are fine, it just gets thicker closer to the tip.
 
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Just an observation here. There seem to be issues here with quality control. I have noticed the bent 14s coming out and there was a post about a San Mai Necker that was finished super sloppy. If this was ESEE or TOPS there would be outrage. I understand those companies products are more expensive but the come with better sheaths and micarta scales. Becker seems to get a pass and on what basis, it is hand made? Im not trying to start anything just wondering.
 
I think Moose alluded to something recently about QC at Kabar. along the lines of they think know whose putting out the knives that do not pass inspection

he would elaborate on it anymore but it was being handled
 
Runit,

The bent 14s were a quality issue that was handled from what we understand, this is not. These minor imperfections are in every makers batch especially when you start adding things like swedges. I've owned esee and stripped em and found wavy uneven grinds as well that werent noticeable with the coating on. Sometimes things happen, this is just a coincidence since every other Becker I own is beyond perfect
 
Toooj said:
All,

Okay; Here is the story on the chamfer grinds: These blades were made in Japan. When we got the blades, the corners were not chamfered. It made for an uncormfortable hold. We sent them back for rework and this is what we got back. Not the best quality job, but instead of making a bad situation worse we decided to just release the knives. If you are unhappy, please send the knife back to me. I'll take the knife up to our lab and correct; Or I can exchange. But be aware that you may get a knife that is equally bad.
The best way to remedy the situation would be to take a file and carefully rebevel the edges yourself. The outside layers of 410 stainless are fairly soft and easy to work. It seems that most BeckerHeads are pretty adept at modifying knives.
In any event, if you need to send back to KA-BAR, send it to my attention, whether you want it exchanged or repaired, and a return address.
We'll take care of you.


Best Regards,

Paul Tsujimoto
Sr Eng
Prod Dev and Qual
KA-BAR Knives
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And Toooj Addressed the grinds on the Necker CSMs
 
RUNIT said:
Just an observation here. There seem to be issues here with quality control. I have noticed the bent 14s coming out and there was a post about a San Mai Necker that was finished super sloppy. If this was ESEE or TOPS there would be outrage. I understand those companies products are more expensive but the come with better sheaths and micarta scales. Becker seems to get a pass and on what basis, it is hand made? Im not trying to start anything just wondering.
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Hey man, I love that avatar. Every operation done by hand (particularly in a production situation) introduces the possibilities for imperfection. Just too many variables to control. It's going to happen and I'm sure when the operator's mind wanders, they chuck it in a box of duds. Some level of imperfection is tolerable by QC and that's cool too. They don't really get a pass though. They usually get posted on a forum for everybody to see, like the examples you mentioned. If you want the absolute highest degree of cosmetic perfection, don't buy a Becker. You may get one that's less than perfect. They don't have the patent on imperfection either. Look very closely at all your knives, regardless of cost.

There is definately a suck factor with the sheaths to deal with, I agree with you there. But, the grivory scales actually are great if you use the knife for any length of time. Fewer hot spots than micartas (for me anyway).

Overall, I'd say if you want a good knife at a fair price that you can count on when you head to the hills, woods, sand or swamps....you could do a lot worse than a Becker even with a few imperfections. :thumbup:
Pull up a chair and stick around and thanks for your input.
 
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I was thinking more about this and and with such a tight knit following that Becker has everything that is a slight mistake will be noticed and posted. Things do happen and nobody is perfect. It seems that Becker has it all taken care of and yes these knives sure are the best deal in town on a quality piece.
 
I noticed an uneven grind on my BK7 at the tip that actually caused the tip to look slightly bent when viewed from the top. I assumed it was a factory defect and returned it to Amazon.com for an exchange. Guess what. The exchanged 7 had the same thing, although not quite as pronounced. But like you said, it doesn't affect performance so I'm not bothered by it. It is nice to know that it's a characteristic of Becker knives in general, though, and that I don't keep buying defective knives.
 
RUNIT said:
I was thinking more about this and and with such a tight knit following that Becker has everything that is a slight mistake will be noticed and posted. Things do happen and nobody is perfect. It seems that Becker has it all taken care of and yes these knives sure are the best deal in town on a quality piece.
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Morning Runit,

Another thing to keep in mind is the size of the fabrication, there are literally (yes proper use of the word) hundreds of thousands to millions of knives being produced within a given time period, to expect a 100% perfect run with all blades surpassing the QC metrics is akin to winning the lottery every day. There are going to be flaws, and there are going to be flaws even past QC. The few comments on a single forum represents a very specific and (according to statistics) such a small sampling size as to not be representative of a statistic.

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