Beginners monthly challenge?

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Hi all I’ve had some time to do some skill building this past month and noticed I have a serious tendency to lean towards the same safe few profiles.

I had the thought that it may be fun (if anyone’s interested) to put together a thread that puts out a monthly or a quarterly set of rough guidelines (profiles, handle styles, finishes) that we can all try to meet and post out results! I think it would open up some pretty interesting discussion, let us all learn from each others hang ups and help everyone out with notes on design!

Just a thought,
 
Hi all I’ve had some time to do some skill building this past month and noticed I have a serious tendency to lean towards the same safe few profiles.

I had the thought that it may be fun (if anyone’s interested) to put together a thread that puts out a monthly or a quarterly set of rough guidelines (profiles, handle styles, finishes) that we can all try to meet and post out results! I think it would open up some pretty interesting discussion, let us all learn from each others hang ups and help everyone out with notes on design!

Just a thought,
There's a kephart quarterly challenge going right now that Steelhog Steelhog started up just a few posts below this one. I am damn sure a beginner but I have received nothing but professionalism and encouragement. My knife def isn't as sexy as the other ones. But seeing a lot of very skilled craftsmen purposefully making the exact same knife as you are is pretty cool. It shows you how far you can go with some practice and what you need to work on. Most knife makers (and everyone else) tries to be unique but in the challenge everyone is making the same knife, perhaps with some minor variations.
 
Those type threads pop up every so often. Right now, there is a Kephart challenge thread.
In the past there have been ballock dagger challenges and others. Recently we discussed coke-bottle handles.

If you have a specific project or knife part you want to start a thread on, feel free. Try and keep it simple and something that can be done in a reasonable period of time.

Suggestions:

Knife styles -

Basic Drop Point Hunter
Bird and Trout
Usuba or Nikiri
Camp Knife
Shop Utility Knife
6" blade Kitchen Slicer
Paring Knife
Oyster knife
Basic tanto

Handle styles - Coke bottle
Coffin
Bird's head
Persian
Corby Bolt attachment
Through Tang
 
There's a kephart quarterly challenge going right now that Steelhog Steelhog started up just a few posts below this one. I am damn sure a beginner but I have received nothing but professionalism and encouragement. My knife def isn't as sexy as the other ones. But seeing a lot of very skilled craftsmen purposefully making the exact same knife as you are is pretty cool. It shows you how far you can go with some practice and what you need to work on. Most knife makers (and everyone else) tries to be unique but in the challenge everyone is making the same knife, perhaps with some minor variations.

No way thank you! Not used to the forum thing yet I should have searched before posting
 
Those type threads pop up every so often. Right now, there is a Kephart challenge thread.
In the past there have been ballock dagger challenges and others. Recently we discussed coke-bottle handles.

If you have a specific project or knife part you want to start a thread on, feel free. Try and keep it simple and something that can be done in a reasonable period of time.

Suggestions:

Knife styles -

Basic Drop Point Hunter
Bird and Trout
Usuba or Nikiri
Camp Knife
Shop Utility Knife
6" blade Kitchen Slicer
Paring Knife
Oyster knife
Basic tanto

Handle styles - Coke bottle
Coffin
Bird's head
Persian
Corby Bolt attachment
Through Tang
Thanks Stacey, apologies for not searching well enough I’ve got to get used to the forum thing! Love your work by the way
 
No way thank you! Not used to the forum thing yet I should have searched before posting
January-March is going to be a bowie. I might sit that one out and enjoy watching. That's a bit much for me at this moment but we'll see. I could be feeling my oats. I could ruin my first fuller and go ahead and get that out of the way lol
 
January-March is going to be a bowie. I might sit that one out and enjoy watching. That's a bit much for me at this moment but we'll see. I could be feeling my oats. I could ruin my first fuller and go ahead and get that out of the way lol
I’m a pretty big fan of just trying everything, The second knife I made was a through tang with mild steel bolster, it was pretty fun but definitely took a lot of patience and work with jewellers files. I think a fuller would be similar to a deep hollow on a straight razor where it gets easier to keep straight the deeper you get but I’ve never done one
 
I am also just a hobbyist. Have maybe 40-50 knifes done in last couple of years. I try to do one or more new things in each knife that I haven't done before - design, grind, technique, material, finish, whatever. Keeps you learning and getting better over all.
 
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I will tell you how I teach knifemaking to new people.

New makers generally always do three things that slow them down.
1) Biggest is they jump from knife style to knife style, often making five or six knives of different style at one time. This doesn't teach you how to make a good knife ... just how to make a lot of so-so knives.
2) Next is they make a big batch of knives at one time. This just teaches you how to make the same mistake multiple times.
3) The last is they try to add too many whistles and bells before they know how to drive a train. Guards, jimping, multi-piece handles fancy blade shapes, etc. They are all for later. Start learning how to grind a nice evenly beveled blade on the first 20-30 knives.

How to avoid those pitfalls:
1) Pick a simple style that you are familiar with. I usually recommend a 3"-3.5" blade Drop Point Hunter or a basic 5"-6" blade Kitchen Knife.
2) Make that ONE knife style 10 times ... ONE at a TIME. Make each one the same size and shape with the same type handle - you can vary the wood/micarta but use the same handle style.
3) Don't start the next one until the last one is completely finished.
4) Look at the first knife and find one or two places that need the most improvement. Concentrate on improving that/those areas on the next knife.
5) Once you have done four or five knives, start looking at the progress from 1 to 2 to 3 ....etc. See where you are making strides and where you are still having problems. On the next knife only work on improving the worst issue. If you haven't figured it out on that knife, try again on the next.
6) Don't move on to another problem until you have the last one mastered.
7) At ten knives the difference from the first should be quite noticeable.

Some new makes will make 20 of the same knife before getting all the basics down. Once you have the basics down, you can slowly add more features ... one at a time.

My example when teaching this are:
"If you wanted to become proficient in sports in a week, would playing tennis for a day, followed by football, then baseball, then basketball, then golf, the archery, then swimming make you great at any of them??? NO! But spending a week practicing each one separately would make you much better at each sport. After the seven weeks you could knowledgeably decide which sports you had a talent for and which you sucked at and should not pursue. "
My other mixed metaphor is, "Wax-on, Wax-off. Patience Grasshopah, one thing at a time."
 
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I will tell you how I teach knifemaking to new people.

New makers generally always do three things that slow them down.
1) Biggest is they jump from knife style to knife style, often making five or six knives of different style at one time. This doesn't teach you how to make a good knife ... just how to make a lot of so-so knives.
2) Next is they make a big batch of knives at one time. This just teaches you how to make the same mistake multiple times.
3) The last is they try to add too many whistles and bells before they know how to drive a train. Guards, jimping, multi-piece handles fancy blade shapes, etc. They are all for later. Start learning how to grind a nice evenly beveled blade on the first 20-30 knives.

How to avoid those pitfalls:
1) Pick a simple style that you are familiar with. I usually recommend a 3"-3.5" blade Drop Point Hunter or a basic 5"-6" blade Kitchen Knife.
2) Make that ONE knife style 10 times ... ONE at a TIME. Make each one the same size and shape with the same type handle - you can vary the wood/micarta but use the same handle style.
3) Don't start the next one until the last one is completely finished.
4) Look at the first knife and find one or two places that need the most improvement. Concentrate on improving that/those areas on the next knife.
5) Once you have done four or five knives, start looking at the progress from 1 to 2 to 3 ....etc. See where you are making strides and where you are still having problems. On the next knife only work on improving the worst issue. If you haven't figured it out on that knife, try again on the next.
6) Don't move on to another problem until you have the last one mastered.
7) At ten knives the difference from the first should be quite noticeable.

Some new makes will make 20 of the same knife before getting all the basics down. Once you have the basics down, you can slowly add more features ... one at a time.

My example when teaching this are:
"If you wanted to become proficient in sports in a week, would playing tennis for a day, followed by football, then baseball, then basketball, then golf, the archery, then swimming make you great at any of them??? NO! But spending a week practicing each one separately would make you much better at each sport. After the seven weeks you could knowledgeably decide which sports you had a talent for and which you sucked at and should not pursue. "
My other mixed metaphor is, "Wax-on, Wax-off. Patience Grasshopah, one thing at a time."
Good advice... damned if I would have taken it.
 
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Can I add $0.02 to Stacy's advice? Once you pick a style as per Stacy, buy a reasonable quality knife of that kind and use it.

I made a lot of "Japanese Style" kitchen knives without ever owning one (embarrassing to admit!). Once I bought a couple decent, Japanese blades and used them regularly, my knife making changed a lot. There are hundreds of little things you don't get by pictures and descriptions, no matter how detailed. Sure it cost me some extra $$, but the lesson would have saved me a bunch in the long run.

So maybe your beginner challenge is for everyone to buy the same knife and then copy it. You can also critique the blade while you're at it.

All in all the challenge is a great idea and a useful regular item.
 
January-March is going to be a bowie. I might sit that one out and enjoy watching. That's a bit much for me at this moment but we'll see. I could be feeling my oats. I could ruin my first fuller and go ahead and get that out of the way lol
First I've heard of it, I'm in!
 
To the original post. I've made 18 knives so far. I only duplicated 3 of them, changed up the handle materials, otherwise they were all different styles and sizes. The handle materials and styles were different too, from hidden tang wood, micarta scales, compressed leather, coffin frame, and hidden tang stag. To me that was half the fun. I would find making the same first knife 20 times really boring.
My 2 scents? Make what interests you. Your skill level will increase with experience and time. Read this forum, watch YouTube, lots of ideas here antd there.
Ultimately, HAVE FUN!
 
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