Benchmade Axis Lock Issue

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Hey any help would be appreciated! I need help in determining if I actually have an issue and its worth sending back to the warranty department or not. The 520 and the 556 have similar issues. I think that they might have loose axis locks but I am not sure. They both have an odd clicking noise when closing before the blade goes in the handle. Both blades also have a little movement while closed. You can move the blade while closed without moving the axis bar. The 520's axis bar also does not sit perfectly straight when opened. The 556 mini grip also has a weak detent, I can open it without using the thumb stud or depressing the axis lock, it could mean that the omega springs are weak. I should note that I have sent my 520 in several times for other issues but when I received it back a week ago I noticed these issues that I think were not there before. I made a YouTube video on it to get some help but no one has given me any help so I was hoping that someone on here could help so I have attached my video. Also I apologize for the video, not my best :o


YouTube video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtEbmZLRXkQ

Thank you,

Ben
 
Hey any help would be appreciated! I need help in determining if I actually have an issue and its worth sending back to the warranty department or not. The 520 and the 556 have similar issues. I think that they might have loose axis locks but I am not sure. They both have an odd clicking noise when closing before the blade goes in the handle. Both blades also have a little movement while closed. You can move the blade while closed without moving the axis bar. The 520's axis bar also does not sit perfectly straight when opened. The 556 mini grip also has a weak detent, I can open it without using the thumb stud or depressing the axis lock, it could mean that the omega springs are weak. I should note that I have sent my 520 in several times for other issues but when I received it back a week ago I noticed these issues that I think were not there before. I made a YouTube video on it to get some help but no one has given me any help so I was hoping that someone on here could help so I have attached my video. Also I apologize for the video, not my best :o


YouTube video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtEbmZLRXkQ

Thank you,

Ben

Several of my AXIS locks do a similar clicky noise thing. Some are a little more noticeable than others. I also have some that have enough slack that the AXIS bar can wiggle a bit and not ride straight back and forth. I don't think it's quite as bad as the guy with the 705, which I think is the video you're probably referencing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEcbwzFwJ3w

My opinion is if the knife functions *properly*, it's not that big a deal. But I guess proper function is in the eye of the beholder - for example, I always unlock the AXIS pulling on both sides so the AXIS bar wiggle doesn't really affect me functionally. If you pull it only with your thumb, it probably has more of an effect on your method of use.
 
The clicking is the result of the Axis bar defeating the blade tang's "hook" closure detent. As it defeats it, the Axis bar, under tension, slams upward against the top inside of the Axis channel cutouts of the liners. All of my Axis locking folders do this. Some of mine, not all, do the same when closing, only this time the Axis bar slams against the bottom inside of the cutouts, creating the same click. No worries here, just how it does, and some more pronounced than others.

As for the wiggle in your Axis bar, mine tend not to have that much play. It's almost as if your Axis bar is too long for whatever reason. Not much you can do there (needs replacement with a shorter one), since the only adjustment other than replacing the Axis bar with a shorter one is putting in wider washers, stop pin, and spacers, which simply isn't feasible with most models that have a full or integral backspacer like the Grip family. I don't think it's a spring issue, I think it's the Axis bar being too long. One thing that can be done to compensate somewhat for this, short of having it replaced, is bending your Omega springs outward just a little to create more tension. This can be done by removing them, measuring the stock distance between ends, and bending outward to make them about 1/8 of an inch wider. Do this methodically, re-measuring as you go, and be sure to achieve the same measurements with both springs. Increase tension on the springs will make the Axis bar rock less noticeable, and increase overall solidity of lockup, though will of course make lock disengagement a bit more strenuous and may decrease Axis life to only 200 years instead of 300 years.

As for up and down play, several things attribute to this, some of which are self-correcting with time and wear. I've noticed over several models, that as long as there is very little to no pivot slop (tolerances between the pivot pin and blade pivot hole are reasonably tight), up and down play tends to decrease and even disappear the more the action is worked, and coatings begin to micro-wear and metals begin to mesh and deburr themselves. A smoothly and correctly-operating Axis mech actually acts to absorb any minimal blade pivot slop similar to how a framelock does, by creating a jamming of parts against one another at certain strategic contact points.

I personally prefer a Sebenza-like, hydraulic pivot tension on my Axis locks, and thus will crank on down on the pivot screw to full tightness after lubing and before the Loc-Tite cures. This eliminates side to side play, and any vertical play almost always takes care of itself with break-in. Just my .02, having owned many BM's over the years and being an Axis nerd - my dx is the Axis bar being too long.

Prof.
 
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Honestly, and please don't take this the wrong way. If you "think" you are having a problem the first thing you should do is contact Benchmade customer service and see what they say. Not start a thread about it.

Mainly because you will get a much faster, reliable and accurate answer from a technician trained to answer your questions and concerns..

I watched your video and I really can't say if you have a problem or not. Several of my AXIS models make the same clicking noise and some don't. Too many variables. Even if you do, the problem could be different for each or normal all together. Instead of me giving you a list of of possible causes and thing's to try, just give CS a call and find out for sure. Much easier right?

Call Benchmade and ask to speak to a technician in customer service. You can even send them your video and they will look at it. I've e-mailed pictures and got an opinion in less the 20 minutes after the tech gave me their e-mail to send it to.

I think you will get a lot further a lot faster going that route. Besides, if you do have a problem that requires repair, outside of tightening screws or putting a spring back in place that popped out you really are limited in what you can do to fix anything. Especially if parts need to be replaced.

Really hope this helps.

All the best!
 
Honestly, and please don't take this the wrong way. If you "think" you are having a problem the first thing you should do is contact Benchmade customer service and see what they say. Not start a thread about it.

Mainly because you will get a much faster, reliable and accurate answer from a technician trained to answer your questions and concerns..

I watched your video and I really can't say if you have a problem or not. Several of my AXIS models make the same clicking noise and some don't. Too many variables. Even if you do, the problem could be different for each or normal all together. Instead of me giving you a list of of possible causes and thing's to try, just give CS a call and find out for sure. Much easier right?

Call Benchmade and ask to speak to a technician in customer service. You can even send them your video and they will look at it. I've e-mailed pictures and got an opinion in less the 20 minutes after the tech gave me their e-mail to send it to.

I think you will get a lot further a lot faster going that route. Besides, if you do have a problem that requires repair, outside of tightening screws or putting a spring back in place that popped out you really are limited in what you can do to fix anything. Especially if parts need to be replaced.

Really hope this helps.

All the best!

I fully agree. Also, if all else fails, get a fixed blade. No clicking to be had there. ;)
 
Me, I wouldn't give any of those issues a second thought.
Watched the vid and it looks to me like the only time anything wiggles or clicks is when you make it do so.
My mini grip clicks when I open it. After studying it carefully, I realized that there are a blade tang, 2 metal liners, a spring, and an axis bar all functioning together.
That is a lot of dimensions to be either on the plus or minus side of their respective tolerances, and the result could be a little click or wiggle from time to time.
As long as the blades lock up tight, use and enjoy.
 
Honestly, and please don't take this the wrong way. If you "think" you are having a problem the first thing you should do is contact Benchmade customer service and see what they say. Not start a thread about it.

Mainly because you will get a much faster, reliable and accurate answer from a technician trained to answer your questions and concerns..

I watched your video and I really can't say if you have a problem or not. Several of my AXIS models make the same clicking noise and some don't. Too many variables. Even if you do, the problem could be different for each or normal all together. Instead of me giving you a list of of possible causes and thing's to try, just give CS a call and find out for sure. Much easier right?

Call Benchmade and ask to speak to a technician in customer service. You can even send them your video and they will look at it. I've e-mailed pictures and got an opinion in less the 20 minutes after the tech gave me their e-mail to send it to.

I think you will get a lot further a lot faster going that route. Besides, if you do have a problem that requires repair, outside of tightening screws or putting a spring back in place that popped out you really are limited in what you can do to fix anything. Especially if parts need to be replaced.

Really hope this helps.

All the best!

I understand where your coming from. I have just sent this knife in to benchmade too many times so I thought I would get other peoples opinion before calling. Also I must not have been talking to a customer service technician when I have called in the past because all they say is send it in and we will look at it, and that is why I thought to go with a different approach and make a thread since I didn't want to send it in again to have them say nothings wrong or something else.
 
Me, I wouldn't give any of those issues a second thought.
Watched the vid and it looks to me like the only time anything wiggles or clicks is when you make it do so.
My mini grip clicks when I open it. After studying it carefully, I realized that there are a blade tang, 2 metal liners, a spring, and an axis bar all functioning together.
That is a lot of dimensions to be either on the plus or minus side of their respective tolerances, and the result could be a little click or wiggle from time to time.
As long as the blades lock up tight, use and enjoy.

Yea I probably should just do that but I unfortunately have the worst OCD when it comes to my knives..lol
 
The clicking is the result of the Axis bar defeating the blade tang's "hook" closure detent. As it defeats it, the Axis bar, under tension, slams upward against the top inside of the Axis channel cutouts of the liners. All of my Axis locking folders do this. Some of mine, not all, do the same when closing, only this time the Axis bar slams against the bottom inside of the cutouts, creating the same click. No worries here, just how it does, and some more pronounced than others.

As for the wiggle in your Axis bar, mine tend not to have that much play. It's almost as if your Axis bar is too long for whatever reason. Not much you can do there (needs replacement with a shorter one), since the only adjustment other than replacing the Axis bar with a shorter one is putting in wider washers, stop pin, and spacers, which simply isn't feasible with most models that have a full or integral backspacer like the Grip family. I don't think it's a spring issue, I think it's the Axis bar being too long. One thing that can be done to compensate somewhat for this, short of having it replaced, is bending your Omega springs outward just a little to create more tension. This can be done by removing them, measuring the stock distance between ends, and bending outward to make them about 1/8 of an inch wider. Do this methodically, re-measuring as you go, and be sure to achieve the same measurements with both springs. Increase tension on the springs will make the Axis bar rock less noticeable, and increase overall solidity of lockup, though will of course make lock disengagement a bit more strenuous and may decrease Axis life to only 200 years instead of 300 years.

As for up and down play, several things attribute to this, some of which are self-correcting with time and wear. I've noticed over several models, that as long as there is very little to no pivot slop (tolerances between the pivot pin and blade pivot hole are reasonably tight), up and down play tends to decrease and even disappear the more the action is worked, and coatings begin to micro-wear and metals begin to mesh and deburr themselves. A smoothly and correctly-operating Axis mech actually acts to absorb any minimal blade pivot slop similar to how a framelock does, by creating a jamming of parts against one another at certain strategic contact points.

I personally prefer a Sebenza-like, hydraulic pivot tension on my Axis locks, and thus will crank on down on the pivot screw to full tightness after lubing and before the Loc-Tite cures. This eliminates side to side play, and any vertical play almost always takes care of itself with break-in. Just my .02, having owned many BM's over the years and being an Axis nerd - my dx is the Axis bar being too long.

Prof.

Thank you for taking the time to write this for me. I had just received my 520 from warranty a week or so ago and I think that the axis bar is one of the things they replaced. I am slightly unsure what you mean by the axis bar being to long so could it be that they put the wrong axis bar in? As far as my mini grip, I bought that used with no idea of how much the action was used but judging from the different placement of the laser etching of the logo compared to new mini grips, It might be safe to say that I have a slightly older mini grip but I would think that the poor blade retention and the up and down play while the blade is closed would have corrected itself my now; but I understand there is no real way of knowing.
 
I understand where your coming from. I have just sent this knife in to benchmade too many times so I thought I would get other peoples opinion before calling. Also I must not have been talking to a customer service technician when I have called in the past because all they say is send it in and we will look at it, and that is why I thought to go with a different approach and make a thread since I didn't want to send it in again to have them say nothings wrong or something else.

When you call, always ask to speak to a tech in customer service. Otherwise the standard reply is as you said "send it in and we'll have a look". That's why I always recommend asking for a tech.

Like I said, you can send your video to them and they will look at it and give you an opinion and tell you if you should sent it in or not. They want you to be happy and satisfied and will bend over backwards to help you. Best customer service I've ever dealt with as far as warranty repair.

From looking at your video (again), I really don't think there's anything is wrong with your knives. Just differences and variables you'll see between different models, and tolerances even between the same model. If you already sent it in and they said it was fine then I'd go with that. I hope that's good enough for you.

I really do believe though that they are fine and you don't have anything to worry about. Especially since nothing seem's to be effecting function at all.

Hope this helps and all the best!
 
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When you call, always ask to speak to a tech in customer service. Otherwise the standard reply is as you said "send it in and we'll have a look". That's why I always recommend asking for a tech.

Like I said, you can send your video to them and they will look at it and give you an opinion and tell you if you should sent it in or not. They want you to be happy and satisfied and will bend over backwards to help you. Best customer service I've ever dealt with as far as warranty repair.

From looking at your video (again), I really don't think there's anything is wrong with your knives. Just differences and variables you'll see between different models, and tolerances even between the same model. If you already sent it in and they said it was fine then I'd go with that. I hope that's good enough for you.

I really do believe though that they are fine and you don't have anything to worry about. Especially since nothing seem's to be effecting function at all.

Hope this helps and all the best!

Thanks for your input and advice. I think I just have an OCD problem with my knives and that's why I have gone through all this trouble to see fix them.
 
Thanks for your input and advice. I think I just have an OCD problem with my knives and that's why I have gone through all this trouble to see fix them.
The cure for that is custom knives in the $1000+ range. Seriously, for that kind of money you can literally get perfection. Keep in mind, you are buying production knives, hundred and hundreds are made each year, and there will always be some variance from one batch to the next. All in all, when a real problem does arise, you can rest easy knowing that Benchmade does in fact have some of the absolute best service in this industry.
 
The cure for that is custom knives in the $1000+ range. Seriously, for that kind of money you can literally get perfection. Keep in mind, you are buying production knives, hundred and hundreds are made each year, and there will always be some variance from one batch to the next. All in all, when a real problem does arise, you can rest easy knowing that Benchmade does in fact have some of the absolute best service in this industry.

I wish I could afford a custom knife but being a college student makes it difficult!
 
I wish I could afford a custom knife but being a college student makes it difficult!

You don't need custom. If it bothers you just send it in for repair.

I am new to the knife game but I have been collecting firearms for over 20 years. One thing I have learned. No matter how much you spend, problems can occur. What makes a product great is how the maker responds to the problem.
 
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