Benchmade Mini-Pika II Review

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Benchmade Mini-Pika II Review
Folks, this is a Chinese made knife with a blade of Chinese steel and the blade has a round hole in it. If you cannot get past those attributes, no worries. Just close this thread and move on to the next one. If you can get past that set of attributes, read on.

I bought this knife because I was curious about the steel and I liked the sound of the overall design: 3" blade of supposed to be pretty good steel, lockback, dual stainless liners, revamped hole, $23 plus shipping. This is Benchmade’s second go at the "Pika". In the Pika II they addressed several of the complaints that were made about the original version.



Benchmade has two Chinese alloys in their steel lineup and on the web site they are described as below:
8Cr14MoV: A Chinese steel with similar performance characteristics to AUS-8. An excellent value priced steel for its performance.

9Cr13CoMoV: A Chinese made high-carbon stainless steel with increased levels of cobalt added for greater edge retention. Offers a higher level of corrosion resistance at a great value.
The Pika II series has the 9Cr13CoMoV steel. My interpretation of the Benchmade promo material is that they consider this steel to have better edge retention and better corrosion resistance than AUS8.
I EDC’ed the Mini-Pika II for a week when I was off work for the holiday break. Used it for some random back yard cutting chores and did some comparison cutting with it.

First the overall impressions of the knife.
Out of the box, the blade, which had been wrapped in plastic, was dripping oil. I don’t normally consider this a good sign, but I cleaned it up and started to use it. OY VEY! This was the STIFFEST lockback I have used in 30 years of using lockbacks. Took me a day of opening it two-handed before it worked in enough to open one-handed. After that, it felt pretty normal, though no one, even somebody holding it by the blade, is ever going to "flip" the knife open. The issue is not the pivot pin. It’s the détente plus I think the rounded back portion of the blade that rubs against the lockbar is not polished enough. It feels rough as I open it, but with the lock bar depressed, the blade moves quite easily once you get past the détente.

Out-of-the-box sharpness was OK but not spectacular. Edge angle was ~20° per side. Minimal grind marks along the cutting edge. Going from memory, they were no worse than I saw on my Native III. They came out easily with a little sharpening work with the dark Sharpmaker rods on the "40°" setting.

Blade lockup was and remains solid. No wiggle at all.

I’ve read several reports on the original Pika that the handle felt flimsy. This one does not. The steel liners make it really solid. Benchmade calls the handle scale material "glass filled Nylon", which may be a euphemism for FRN, (depends on what form of glass was used). I think I would recommend a slightly higher glass loading. The main texture design of the handle was nice, but the plastic itself was a bit slicker than other FRN handles I have used. Overall I thought it was OK, but some folks who already don’t care for FRN may not like it. The back end of the handle kind of curls up to make a place for your little finger, except that my little finger does not land at that place on the handle and I find it mildly annoying. I have small hands, so YMMV on this. The knife overall is thin and carries well in a pocket.

The clip can be attached four ways for right or left, tip-up or tip-down carry. It came mounted for right-hand tip-down carry. I changed it to tip-up and used it that way for about five days, but I found the knife somewhat uncomfortable to use in heavy cutting and felt like the knife was a bit exposed in my pocket. The end has a lanyard hole and therefore the clip is mounted a bit low when in the tip-up position so that the end of the knife is quite visible when clipped to the pocket. On the sixth day I changed the clip back to the tip down position. I found that the knife carried very low in the pocket as I like it to be and I found the handle much more comfortable during heavy cutting.

The blade is a pretty clip point design. It is 0.098" thick. The clip point makes for a very pointy knife that penetrates blister packs very easily. I don’t think I would try much prying with it though if that is what you are into. It also has a sharpening choil, which I like. The blade is hollow ground. The 0.433" diameter hole is well done. I understand that hole on the original Pika was beveled and hard to grab. The hole on the Pika II is not beveled and it is easy to open the blade once you get the blade worked in. Works as good as my Native III.

OK, so what about that steel?
Benchmade had the hardness range for 9Cr13CoMoV in two places on its web site. The numbers didn’t match. Sigh. The detail description for the Pika II series said the hardness was 58-60. The BM steel chart lists the hardness as 57-58. I took my knife into the metallurgical lab at work. The blade measured 57.55. I contacted Benchmade and asked about the hardness. They said the chart was correct at 57-58 and that they would correct the detail description. As of this evening they still have both ranges on the web site.

I changed the angle on the edge to 15° with no secondary bevel using a Crystolon India combo stone and a Sharpmaker. I found 9Cr13CoMoV steel sharpened with a little more effort than AUS8.

Cutting chores: I had to put a new end on a garden hose, the Pika cut it nicely (old thick reinforced hose, pretty stiff). I cut a second piece with a KaBar Large Dozier. I think the Pika cut it more easily, but that is mostly the blade shape. I cut some small of some bushes that I was trimming in the back yard. Then I used it to cut up a cardboard box so it would fit in the trash. Blade stayed sharp and seemed quite usable after the chores.

Cutting Comparison: I wanted to do something to compare the edge retention of the 9Cr13CoMoV to that of AUS8. This is what I did. I touched up the edges on a Spyderco Native III with VG10 blade measured at Rc 59, a Large KaBar Dozier with AUS8 blade measured at Rc 59 and the Mini-Pika II. All edges angles were 15° per side. I examined the edge of each blade with a 3X lens under a halogen bulb to ensure there were no flat spots on the edge (ie, no bright spots). With each blade, I made 20 cuts in 3/8" manila rope, then examined each blade for flat spots under a halogen bulb using the 3X lens. I saw a couple of places on the VG10, a fair amount more places on the 9Cr13CoMoV, and a continuous line on the AUS8. I re-sharpened the blades and repeated the process. Saw approximately the same thing. Sorry, I have no suitable equipment to make photos. To me, it looked like the 9Cr13CoMoV had a bit better edge retention than the AUS8, but not as good as that of the VG10. I found I had to study the AUS8 and the 9Cr13CoMoV edges to tell them apart after the cutting, but the VG10 was immediately apparent as being superior.

Conclusions: 9Cr13CoMoV blade may have slightly better edge retention than AUS8. I like the blade design. The knife feels really solid in your hand and locks up tight. The hole is done correctly. When the clip is mounted for tip-down carry I found the knife very comfortable to use. I think the action needs to be smoothed up. But overall I think I like the knife, especially for use in an urban environment as I think the shape of the blade works well for typical urban chores (opening packages, cutting cardboard).

Final note: I don’t think I would buy this knife as a gift for someone unless I were willing to take the time to clean it up, sharpen it up, and loosen it up before giving it. But once you do that, it's good.
 
Thanks. The knife has grown on me. The first day I had it I was ready to return it because of the tough open. But it's gotten easier and easier to open and now it's becoming a regular part of my EDC group. Changing the clip back to tip-down was also an important find. Much more comfortable to use and it now rides way low in the pocket.

All in all, a good value for a $23 knife.
 
Marvelous review! Thanks for taking the time. I have the mini Pika and like it, this sounds like a nice step up for build, but wasn't the original 440C? Any chance (just for curiosity) of trying the Chinese steel vs the 440C?
 
I'll try some 440C this weekend. I have an old (circa 1969) Buck 110 in 440C that I've been wanting to fuss with anyway. I'll giver her a shot.


FWIW, when I did the rope cutting tests on the other steels, I also tested an old Gerber with its "surgical stainless steel" blade, and a Benchmade with an ATS-34 blade. Both sharpened at 15°. (I'd never done this particular test, so I wanted to get an idea of how much difference I would see between steels that I knew were significantly different in edge retension. I felt that would give me a better chance to compare the other steels that I actually was trying to test.)

At 20 cuts I couldn't see any significant difference between the edge retension of the ATS-34 and that of VG10. I think I would have to do more cuts in order to differentiate them. But I wanted to give everything the same number of cuts so that I could better rate the relative performances of the AUS8 and the 9Cr13CoMoV.

The Gerber fared markedly worse than any of the other steels I tested.
 
Knarfeng, I got a Pika II last week. Decent enough little knife, quite acceptable for the price.

It sounds like my factory edge was about the same as yours - it wouldn't quite shave arm hair, or start a push cut on flimsy receipt paper, but would happily push cut printer paper, with a little catching.

It fit my hand quite nicely, but then I'm the guy who didn't find either the Delica or the BM 705 to sit in my grip quite comfortably, so I wouldn't generalize from my ergonomics. :)

Mine didn't come either dripping with oil or with an extremely stiff action - I'm guessing we're seeing a China product with less than 100% consistency here. So I think we'll some stiff ones and some nice ones. I can almost flick mine open at my best speed - almost meaning it pops to about half open. Mine easily Spydie-drops open.

I think the blade outline is this piece's biggest strength. It is a VERY nice rendition of Benchmade's AFCK blade shape, the one from the (all OOP, of course :rolleyes:) BM 800, 806, 812, and 814.

This gives an excellent splinter picking point, a nice smooth belly, and a long straight edge in back. While I would never say this knife was equal to a Delica, I would strongly suggest that anyone who doesn't like the new "strong" D4 point and longs for the needle point of the original Delicas give the Mini Pika II a long, hard look.

And one of the things I like is the ability to carry it tip up, unlike you - so I think we agree that the 4-way swappable clip is a great thing. :p

I haven't put mine into my full EDC rotation, I just play with it once in awhile. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on how yours holds up and what the steel is like over time.

Very nice review, sir.
 
Thanks Nick. That is always one of the worries of forming an opinion based on only one example, you never know how much variation there is from piece to piece. I found mine acceptable for the price. Glad to hear that yours is even better. Like you, I really like the blade design.

Dinkum,
The only 440C I have is my old Buck 110. I gritted my teeth and changed the edge angle to 15° and tested it. (And it took a bloody long time to change it. That beast was TOUGH stuff.) I ran the test twice for the VG10, the ATS-34, the Buck, the AUS8, and the 9Cr13CoMoV.

I found that the 9Cr13CoMoV did not perform as well as the 440C, but then the 440C performed at least as well as the VG10. I have never had the hardness of the 110 measured and I have never heard how hard Buck did 440C in the '60's. I know you can take 440C up to Rockwell 60. I do not know how hard the 440C Pikas were run. So, I do not know if the results of the 110 440C are representative of a 440C Pika. Sorry, best I could do.

This thread doesn't get too much traffic, so I will put these results here then run for cover.

Having run all the blades several times each, I reached this order of edge damage in this cutting test (running least damage at the top of the list, most damage at the bottom of the list):
ATS-34
Buck 440C, VG10
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9Cr13CoMoV
AUS8
Gerber

(The blank line is to indicate a gap in performance. There was more difference between the VG10 and 9Cr13CoMoV than between the ATS-34 and the VG10 - 440C. The performance of the Buck 440C was very close to that of the VG10, so they go on the same line. )
 
I was wondering how these would stack up. Thanks for the review; informative and honest, as always. How doe they measure against other $20 working knives (Kabar Dozier series, CRKT Mo' Skeeter, etc.) ?
 
Thanks for the kind words. I like reading your reviews, also.

"working knives"...I like that a lot better than the term "beater". I don't beat or abuse any of my knives, but they all do a day's work for me. I LIKE it. I like looking for well made low dollar knives. Part of it is the Scot in me. Part of it is the knowledge that a lot of my friends wouldn't want to or have the resources to spend much more than $20 for a knife and I want to be able to point them to something that they will like.

as for comparing

The Mo Skeeter I have not tried, and probably won't because I just have a problem with using 420J2 as a blade material. That would put it in the Gerber E-Z Out range as far as edge retension. (BTW I like the E-Z out design, I just want better edge retension).

I have a Large Dozier and I have handled the regular Doziers a bit. If I were to compare the Pika II to the Doziers I would say
- Doziers have little bit grippier, slightly more comfortable hande.
- Pika II feels more solid in my hand and is a bit slimmer in the pocket.
- Lockup is solid on all.
- Doziers have a thumb stud, which I prefer to a hole.
- Pika II has a sharpening choil and the entire edge of the blade is uniformly sharp because of it. The base of the Dozier blade on my Large Dozier kind of thins into the edge so the very base is never going to be sharp and finding the right place to start the stone with each stroke becomes a mild annoyance to me when sharpening.
- Pika II has slightly better edge retension.
- I like both blade shapes. Both are different, but both are good.

Can't go wrong with either of them, really. I think both are winners. I may lean a bit toward the Pika II because I love the sharpening choil and the blade shape. But that's really just personal preference. And the fact that it's the newest may make me give it extra attention as well.:D

Don't have any Byrds so I can't compare, but judging from the comments of other users they're keepers, too.

Frank R.
 
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