Benchmade shipping charge -- WTF?

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I was going to order a small Benchmade sheath for my LM Pulse. Cost $10. Got to checkout. Shipping Flat Rate: $10. So, it is then a $20 sheath. What is up with that? I mean for a knife if it was $10 I would at least expect that some of it was insurance and knives weigh a little bit. Sheaths weigh next to nothing and the insurance on $10 can't be more than $1. Man, what a ripoff...

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Clay Fleischer
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I just ordered a 1 ounce bottle of Militec-1. Cost:$5.95; shipping cost: $3.95.

When a company's shipping charges are so out of line with the actual shipping costs--in other words, when a company is using shipping (as opposed to sales) as a significant and hidden source of profit--I am inclined to question their integrity. In some cases, such as this order of mine, it's product I know I know I want and there are no similar enough alternatives. When there reasonable alternatives, I would avoid a company with such shipping policies. When there aren't, I'll complain, and at least let them know that I am seeking alternatives, and plan to try to avoid their business because of their shipping fee policies.
 
On the other hand, if you order a whole pile of heavy stuff, you may end up with a bargain.

Benchmade is not well set up to process "retail" orders. They don't have in place yet the mechanisms to tell in advance what shipping on an order will actually cost. Some mail order sellers base their shipping on the price of the item(s), orders totalling $0-50 add $3.95 for S&H, $51-100 add $5.95, $101-200 add $7.95, etc. But, in the case of knives, the weight of the item isn't well-related to the weight and size of the item. The actual cost to ship an item is based on weight and size, so that wouldn't work well for BM. The average BM knife costs over $100 and BM expects that most folks who will go to the trouble of ordering directly from them will be ordering several knives at one time. So, BM decided to simply add a flat fee of $10 to all orders for S&H.

Keep in mind that there's an H in S&H. The S if for shipping. This is what UPS or USPS or whoever charges BM. There's no profit for BM here. The H is for handling. This is the cost of having an employee who earns a salary and benefits take a cart into the wearhouse, find each item on your order, and bring them out. It's the cost of having another employee double-check that order. Then, having an employee select an appropriate box, add packing curls, put the knives in, tape it all up, put the shipping label on, and take it out to the dock. Don't forget the cost of the box, the curls, and the tape too.

The average UPS shipping cost on a couple of knives is probably about $4.

A new box, curls, tape, shipping label, etc, cost upwards of $2. Boxes are expensive and using cheap ones or used ones just leads to shipping dammage.

So, there's four bucks left for labor. If a BM employee can process your order in ten minutes, get the material, check it, pack it, tape it, label it, get it out to the dock in ten minutes, then that's 1/6 of one hour. That means that that employee can earn $24/hour salary AND benefits plus other overhead costs of employment. Generally, your take-home pay is about half of what it costs your employeer to have you. So, that makes the employee's salary $12/hour and that's on the low-end even for shipping clerks these days.

Bottom line: my guess is that even with a $10 flat fee, BM is barely breaking even overall on shipping and handling for their new direct sales experiment.

So, how do other big mail-order places make do on lower rates? Primarily by wearhouse automation. BM's operation just isn't big enough yet to have that.

Finally, keep in mind that when offering direct sales, BM has be careful not to tread to hard on the toes of their established dealers and brick-and-mortar retailers. Quite honestly, they're not out to offer you a bargain.


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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com
 
I used to work in shipping and receiving,and part of my job was to fill and send "parts orders". Let me tell you I could fill 40 orders an hour easy.Even with benefits that was far less than 50 cents a package labor.Add about 25 cents for a padded envelope or 50 cents for a small box.We would mail these orders often for less than a buck postage.

If you got to go walk all over the factory or warehouse for this part or that you work for a company that does not know how to run things.Set up an area with a table and racks of parts,packaging,tape dispensers ect.

Today it may cost a couple bucks to send a part but ten is to high to drop a sheith in an envolope staple it and pay about 75 cents to mail it.
 
We charge a flat rate for most of our shipping for a reason - it's a pain in the ass to calculate the rate for each individual order, and more often than not, the differance between shipping cost and what we've charged is less than 50 cents.

Now, add in the price for our spiffy cardboard boxes (38 cents each if we buy them 1000 at a time), tape (don't know the price), peanuts, and my valuable time, and we typically lose money on the shipping.

We sometimes get complaints that our shipping prices are exhorbitant or "You can ship by US Mail for $3.20!" or some such. What people don't realize is that the cost for shipping helps keep the other costs down where they are at - by using UPS we are able to drastically reduce the number of packages that "go missing" and if they do disappear, we can get a refund for the merchandise within 2 weeks - which means less overhead costs passed onto the consumer as a whole. Believe me - you think trying to get your money back from the IRS is hard, try to get it back from the Postal Service. You get 4 $300+ knives that go missing and you have quite a few CRKT K.I.S.S. knives to sell to be able to just make up for the lost merchandise, let alone make your rent.

Put it another way; would you rather spend $1.50 more for shipping and know exactly what the status of your package is, be able to track it, not have it arrive all beaten to hell (padded envelopes), and have cheaper prices overall?

When it comes down to just a few dollars between one merchant and another, go for the one with customer service. A quick perusal of the GBU forum will tell you who to trust and who to avoid. Is that $2.00 you save on a $150 dollar knife worth an extra 4 weeks of aggravation in the long run?

Spark

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Spark:
Put it another way; would you rather spend $1.50 more for shipping and know exactly what the status of your package is, be able to track it, not have it arrive all beaten to hell (padded envelopes), and have cheaper prices overall?
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Spark has hit the nail on the head, so to speak. I just paid $22 for overnight shipping from one of the most reputable dealers on the net (and a BF member). Worth every penny, and not just because I got my new toy in one day. What really counted was the peace of mind knowing that $275 worth of knife wasn't sitting in my mailbox (I live on a rural route) all day, or, even worse, out in the open on my doorstep.

Dave
 
I just got the grease I ordered from Chris Reeve Knives. I paid $12 for 9 grams of grease and $6.00 shipping. The site said UPS. My grease arrived ia a small padded envelope regular mail. The post mark said it cost $.45 to ship. Sopmewhere there is a profit of $5.55. Not to mention how much 9 grams of CRK flourinated grease probably costs wholesale. I am not going to complain. After spending $380 on my sebenza, $18 for grease doesn't seem so bizarre anymore.

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Brian
The first knife was probably used to cut stuff.



[This message has been edited by bteel (edited 04-13-2001).]
 
Dave -- I agree re: high dollar items. I paid $35 to have my fiance's engagement ring overnighted and I knew it wouldn't be left anywhere (my neighbor signed for it, as it were). And I knew it was insured out the a$$.

But $10 for $0.50 worth of shipping on a $10 item...?

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Clay Fleischer
clay_fleischer@yahoo.com
AKTI Member A000847
 
If you think the national shipping charges are bad, you should check out the variance in international charges from online retailers! It can range from like $6 flat rate up to $25+, and this can just be to ship 1 smallish item like a folder! Also there's the "small" matter of customs charges, which can cost me a fortune and also the various other potential customs complications... I appreciate theres very little can be done about customs though!
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Ultimately I do actually save money by buying online, plus I simply can't buy half the stuff locally anyway. I agree totally with what Spark said - I'd far sooner go for the good service even it costs me a few bucks extra, and I have to admit that when I find a good retailer I tend to stick with them regardless of other places being slightly cheaper. ;o)

At the end of the day, I'm just happy to be able to get hold of the knives I want at last.
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I do appreciate that my post is slightly off the topic of this thread, but still I thought y'all might be interested, or at least get a good laugh out of the limey who has to pay so much shipping!
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I agree with Clay. I can almost understand a flat fee for high dollar items, but 10 bucks for a 2oz. sheath that can be mailed in a padded envelope? Come on! Actually, think of how much money Benchmade is saving by shipping direct instead of through a dealer. There is no middle man to cut out their profit. If they're charging the same retail fee they require their dealers to abide by then they could not charge shipping at all and still make a better profit than by going through their dealer network. What is there, a 40% markup on their knives? Maybe hire one picker at minimum wage and use the web site for order processing. Seems like a pretty minimal investment. That is, unless my logic is faulty
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I'd hate to see what they charge for shipping (and handling) on a pack of clip screws
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Chris
 
Actually, I believe they will send those out for free...
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You could put nacho cheese sauce on it...
 
Clay,
I actually forgot to finish my thought.
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Sometimes the price of shipping is out of proportion to the price of the merchandise you want. Then it's time to figure out whether it really pays to buy from that merchant.

One solution is to find something else you need or want that you can add to the order, so that the shipping charge will be a more reasonable percentage of the total. Since you were ordering from Benchmade, you could have bought yourself another knife!

Dave


[This message has been edited by dsvirsky (edited 04-15-2001).]
 
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