Best locking mechanism ?

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I have a simple question. Since a lot of people dislike liner locks, why are they so popular? It seems like several custom makers use liner locks, Elishewitz and Emerson for example. Now granted the axis lock is a new invention (simple and effective), but someone should have come up with another solution by now. The system Spyderco uses on the Wayne Goddard is another possibility, but it is not the easiest thing to close one handed. Could it be that they are the easiest to manufacture?

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sirgrumps@earthlink.net

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Linerlocks are relatively easy to make, especially in the context of a small shop. They're somewhat harder to make well, and poor ones in both the production and handmade markets have led to their general mistrust.

A well-made linerlock (e.g. the Spyderco Military) has the smoothest, lightest action you may ever see. It is easier to close one-handed than any other type. It will withstand far more stress than a user would realistically put on it, and when it does fail it jams the knife open, protecting the fingers from a closing blade. The only flaw that no amount of quality seems to work out is that for every way a liner-lock is arranged, there are some people who can seem to close it by applying teh right grips and forces (of course, this is true of most lock types).

I still prefer a linerlock to every other type once I have convinced myself taht a particular one is well-constructed and has no grip problems for me.

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-Corduroy
"Why else would a bear want a pocket?"

Little Bear Knives
Drew Gleason:
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We'll be seeing at least four new patented locks in the next few months. So you might want to reserve your opinion til you see these.
Designer-Ken Onion. He has more, too.
 
The self unlocking of the liner lock would be my biggest beef. That is why I like the axis lock. It seems easy enough to make. I like how smooth the action is an it does not unlock under grip pressure.

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sirgrumps@earthlink.net
 
It is interesting that you mention Elishewitz, as he not only introduced the Bolster lock, basically a modified Integral lock, he has started making true Integral lock pieces as well. Pat Crawford is using the Bolster lock on the Janus. Darrel Ralph offers the Apogee in three sizes, three steels, and I have seen at least one custom handle (Dexter Ewing’s, the lucky SOB) on top of the standard and the “Extreme” handle patterns.

I think the liner lock will always be around, just like the lock back and button lock, just not on your “hard use, tactical” folders. When I saw a Janus I thought it was beautiful. The lock is very well done, the Titanium milled out for the scale, with the bolster area exposed for the solid, re-enforcing grip of the Integral lock. Of course, with Mother of Pearl or Apple Coral scales overlaid on the handle, it is way overbuilt for an “Art Knife”.


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James Segura
San Francisco, CA



 
I have a question regarding Elishewitz's "bolster-lock" that's based on pure speculation, and I'd like to hear from folks that have them.

As the lock rises to engage the tang, it moves away from the inset scale, creating a gap. When the blade is closed and the lock depressed, this gap closes also. It seems as if this would potentially pinch the hand holding the knife. Can this occur, or am I thinking too hard?

-Drew
 
Drew, from what I saw, I was immediately concered about debris getting into the "gap". I had not thought of the "pinch" factor, but if you slide your fingers down the handle it seems like it would be inevitable.

No, you are not thinking to hard. Just proving that the true Integral lock is hard to beat.

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James Segura
San Francisco, CA



 
The best folder lock I know of in terms of reliability and strength is the Barry Wood "swing lock". It has its drawbacks, they are not practical to open one-handed, and the design dictates a mostly straight and not outstandingly ergonomic handle shape. But they work pretty well for general utility, and are essentially a fixed blade once you get them open. You can't really break them.

After that, I like integral locks like the Apogee, Sebenza, MPF, and Pinnacle. They are plenty strong, brute simple, and when you grip the handle, you pretty much hold the lock in place.

Next, I like the REKAT Rolling Lock. It is plenty strong, hasn't demonstrated any tendency to fail in any way, and the side release is very easy to use and out of the way.

In a virtual tie with the Rolling Lock is the Benchmade Axis lock. Again, plenty strong, reliable, simple. I give a slight edge to the Rolling Lock because I personally like the side release better. The Axis has the advantage of being ambidextrous though, and also has redundant springs.

Then there are a lot of button style locks on knives like the SpeedTech Synergy, TiKnives, and numerous autos.

Liner locks can be good too, though they are at the very bottom of my list. You have to evaluate them on a knife by knife basis. It would take a really exceptional knife for me to ever buy another one. I saw some gorgeous Phil Boguszewski folders at a recent show that almost made me write a bad check.
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I tend to prefer mid-locks to liner locks for small utility pocket knives. I like that I can unlock my Boye folders and BF Native with my hand in the natural grip. Seems easy to me, but that's a personal preference thing.

I like butterfly knives a lot too. They can be very strong and reliable, and have ten times the fun quotient of any other folder.
 
While I have seen badly made liner locks that I would not wish on an enemy, the Spyderco liner locks that I have are all uniformly solid. That would include the Terzuola/Spyderco C-15 and C-19, the StarMate and the Military. I cannot see how they could be viewed as unstable.

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Hugh


 
I saw the REKAT knife at the Blade West show. The way the mechanism works, there is friction when opening the blade. The guy showed me that if you hold the unlock button back when opening and closing the knife, no friction. I have to say that unfortunately most of the mechnism described above, I have never used or handled. The other disadvantage of the REKAT system, ir's not ambi, my wife is a lefty.

I am rather new at this. Almost everything I have learned was at the Blade west Show. Please excuse my ignorance. I am sure that the several systems named above are very nice, but I am on a limited budget. I want something that I will not have to worry about for the next ten years and is not a custom job. Based on these criteria, I think the axis lock may be the way to go.

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I think that time will tell if the Axis or Rolling lock are truely reliable. I also think that blunt, dull training knives with working locks should be available to test the reliability of the various lock mechanisms. There's nothing like continuous, hard impact workouts against a heavy bag for revealing the shortcomings of a lock.

I also prefer to look at the lock question from another angle. Since folding knives are designed to fold and because the lock releases are designed to be accessible, I consider no lock mechanism to be 100% foolproof.

So to save myself from nasty cuts in the event of a lock failure, I have had Pat Crawford modify the blade on my KFF. He has added 1/2" of unground edge to the pivot end of the blade. Combined with the deep finger groove and the pinky hook of the KFF handle which insures a locked in grip, were the blade to fold up on my hand the unground edge would contact my index finger resulting in no cuts.

I like the design so much, that I'm having Pat make another KFF (full size handle) with a sub 3" blade with the same blade mod.

Axel



[This message has been edited by Axel Yup (edited 16 October 1999).]
 
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