BG42- is it worth it?

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I'm looking at getting another spyderco military but I can't decide what steel to get. I don't mind the extra money if its gonna make that much difference. I have to say that my plain edge S30V military is my go-to outdoor folder. The edge retention is superb and the large carbides in the S30V give it very high slicing aggression. I am looking at getting a second military and I can't decide if the BG42 will make that much difference. Could you guys educate me a little. What does BG42 offer?
 
I have to say im not too familiar with bg42 but i love my s30v spyderco millitary and if something works why replace or it or go with a steel your not sure about but thats just my opinion. And i have heard good things about bg42 greg lightfoot likes it and uses it quite often.
 
The BG-42 Military costs about $50 more than the standard S30V. For that $50 you get: (1) BG-42 blade; (2) carbon fiber scales; and (3) a sprint run knife that may not be made again.

1. The BG-42 blade. I have several BG-42 blades, including a recently-aquired BG-42 Military. I have never run tests, but my subjective imopression is that BG-42 and S30V hold an edge about the same length of time. BG-42 seems to take a finer edge, but again that's subjective. Some people favor BG-42 over S30V. For example, some Sebenza folks prefer the older BG-42 knives. But IIRC, they usually do so on a fairly subjective basis. I think however you stack it up, the steels are roughly on par with each other -- at the very least BG-42 is not vastly superior to S30V. Some people also like to have something that's a little different than most other folks. BG-42 gives you a small dose of that.

2. Carbon fiber scales. My understanding is that carbon fiber is stiffer and stronger than G-10. However, I've never heard of a Military G-10 handle breaking under normal use or otherwise. There was talk of the older ones flexing, but I believe Spyderco addressed that years ago.

3. Sprint run. There are far fewer BG-42 knives available than the S30V ones. Does that make it more valuable? I reallly don't know. But I do know the BG-42 sprint run was released in 2006, and they are still available new at at least one online dealer as of today. So it's hard to say the demand has been high. But again, it's not like what everyone else has.

Given all that, I think the S30V version represents the better value for a user. If your a Spyderco nut or you just like to collect different versions of the Military it makes more sense. I'd also look at the S90V version for a mere $25 more, provided you either already have or are willing to invest in diamond stones.
 
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Good info KeithAM:thumbup:

How would the two(s30v & bg42) compare with corrosion resistance?

Which do you find easier to sharpen?


Thanks,:)
 
Good info KeithAM:thumbup:

How would the two(s30v & bg42) compare with corrosion resistance?

Which do you find easier to sharpen?


Thanks,:)

As for corrosion resistance, I've never seen the slightest suggestion of corrosion on either BG-42 or S30V, but then I take really good care of my knives and if they get wet or are used on material that could corrode them I rinse and wipe them off pretty quickly.

As for sharpening, I'm not trying to sound like a snob, but I have never had any problem sharpening any steel. On almost all my knives that I use I thin the edge at least somewhat, and maintain it with a microbevel. I also try not to let my knives get very dull iin the first place -- I generally touch them up after they've been used with a strop or the Spyderco ultrafine rods or both. S30V, D2, ZDP-189 -- all easy if you do this. Now I've got an S90V Millie on the way and that may be a different story, but I've got diamonds waiting for it. ;) But to answer your question directly -- I don't find much difference in the difficulty of sharpening S30V as compared to BG-42.
 
Carbon Fiber is also lighter than G10, I think. I went with the BG-42 because I liked it better than the plain military.
 
I have both, love them both. I can sharpen both easily as well, but the BG-42 is definitely sharper, not leaps and bounds, but certainly noticeable to me. Both are at 30 degrees inclusive with no back bevel, the BG is the better slicer of the two. Is it worth the extra? I think so. If Yablanowitz sees this, go by his opinion, he uses Millies nearly every day.

Good luck with whichever one you choose.
 
I have a Cabela's Alaskan Guide Buck 110 in S30V. It came as sharp as any 110 I had bought at that time - a real shaver. I ordered a teardrop Damascus 110 from Buck's Custom Sharp - really sharp - more so than any other Damascus blade I've seen. My next CS 110 was orange Fiji wood & BG-42. My third one, which arrived a few days ago, is a finger-grooved asian water buffalo and BG-42. They are all shown below. The BG-42 is unreal... feels 'scarey sharp'. I don't know how long it will last - the first one will be a year old in September and, although it hasn't been an EDC, it has been used - probably as much as the AG 110, which has also retained it's edge quite well. My EDC for over a year Spydie Native in S30V proved to be a bear to re-edge, the ceramic rods of my Spydie 'Sharpmaker' apparently making a career of the task - diamond hones are really needed.

I can't put my finger on the difference (They are too sharp!), but I like BG-42 - and will order another CS 110, if it is available.

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Stainz
 
I also have Buck 110's in both S30V and BG 42. My BG 42 knives hold an edge *much* longer than my S30V knives. I would get it.
 
BG-42 stays pretty close to CPM S30V on manila rope testing. It holds high edge better up to the 40 cuts, runs even up to 200 cuts but in a long term CPM S30V take over up to the 800 cuts tested. However difference is not too significant in both cases.

http://playground.sun.com/~vasya/Manila-Rope-Results.html

Thanks, Vassili

P.S. I was testing Spyderco Military CPM S30V and BG42 side by side.
 
BG-42 stays pretty close to CPM S30V on manila rope testing. It holds high edge better up to the 40 cuts, runs even up to 200 cuts but in a long term CPM S30V take over up to the 800 cuts tested. However difference is not too significant in both cases.

http://playground.sun.com/~vasya/Manila-Rope-Results.html

Thanks, Vassili

P.S. I was testing Spyderco Military CPM S30V and BG42 side by side.

Nozh,

What's your take on spending $25 than the BG-42 goes for to get S90V?
 
Nozh,

What's your take on spending $25 than the BG-42 goes for to get S90V?

I got one right after it hits the market. I have all four Military original CPM S60V (or it was some other steel first?), new CPM S30V (with CF), CPM BG42 (wich suppose to be initially CPM S125V) and then latest CPM S90V. IMHO - if you still can get one, get it until they gone. I think this is last production knife made out of this steel.

I did not done any testing - injured my arm testing this Military, too much cutting (2400 cuts of manila rope total). But Crucible reports that it is even better then CPM S60V!

Thanks, Vassili.
 
FYI, the Military was ATS-34 originally.

Keith, S90V is a bear to sharpen, but should hold an edge significantly longer than BG-42 or S30V(assuming..I'm not sure what hardness Spyderco uses). It touches up easily, but when you get ready to regrind the edge or change the angle, you'd better have more than a Sharpmaker handy!
 
Check his statemebnt in this thread:

"The S90V kicked my BG-42 Millie right out of my pocket."


http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=540844&highlight=s90V+military

Nozh,

What's your take on spending $25 than the BG-42 goes for to get S90V?

Excellent point and thanks for finding that thread, Keith. I will add this as well: given that S90V is very similar to ZDP-189, it is similarly difficult to sharpen unless you keep it sharp diligently, or are an expert sharpener like nozh and Yablanowitz certainly are, Yab because he uses nothing but DMT diamond hones (IIRC), and does it daily. I however, am nowhere near that level and found that once I let the ZDP get too dull, it took a LONG time to get it back to hair popping. I will only make that mistake once. BG-42 for me is much easier to sharpen.

So for you and the original poster, I would say it depends on your sharpening prowess as to whether or not you go for the BG-42 or S90V.

Hope that makes sense.

Rik
 
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