Big Future-Oriented Questions...

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I'm 17, and I'm looking to pursue a career in marketing alloy steels, particularly high carbon, to machinery companies. I'm particularly interested in working for companies such as carpenter, crucible, or starrett.

Do you guys know of any colleges/Universities that have programs that would be helpful in my pursuit in such a career?

Also, do you know of any specific jobs I should shoot for?

Sorry for the strange questions, it's just very, very tough info to find.
 
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I'd suggest you PM Mete, a member of Bladeforums. He's a metallergist (probably spelled that wrong), anyway, perhaps he could give you some career advise. Just enter "mete" in the BF search engine.
 
Maybe look in to material science engineering. I am a mechanical engineer myself but I work alongside a few mse guys and they Get to do the fun stuff. The best school for this is probably Clemson.
 
DDA2011 said:
Maybe look in to material science engineering. I am a mechanical engineer myself but I work alongside a few mse guys and they Get to do the fun stuff. The best school for this is probably Clemson.
Do they have a specialized materials engineering course for ferrous metals, or is there even such a thing?
 
I'm honestly not sure. Everyone I work with is specifically ceramics fiber. (Glass cotton candy) my company actually makes the firebrick many forum users use in their homemade kilns. Sorry I can't be more help but I'll ask my co workers tomorrow and reply back
 
I googled a few things and materials science engineering is divided into disciplines and metals and alloys is one of them. I would definitely give it a look. Check out Clemson or Georgia tech.
 
Try contacting some companies see what their requirements are for the job you want. Or maybe find someone doing that job through a social networking site. Really make sure you need to go to college for what you want to do before you go.
 
First off, I want you to realize that it isn't a job where you deal with a lot of knifemakers. You will be handling very large sales to a variety of industries in a variety of countries. You could get a big head start by learning some foreign languages in High School - Japanese or Mandarin would be a big plus. I am not familiar where the American producers operate worldwide, but if you could identify the market with the most potential and learn the language, after college you could increase your potential earnings by working overseas. You need to learn about EXACTLY what the job you're looking at does - you might not ever see a knife working for one of those companies, and that is serious. Even if you do, it will be a very small part of your overall job duties.


You might try e-mailing jamey.duncan AT crucible.com , and ask what he majored in. The truth is, the sales agents ALWAYS have bachelor degrees, and one in materials science definitely wouldn't hurt - the different positions mean that you could have a marketing degree and fit one better, or have an engineering degree and fit another, or have a mechanical engineering or production management degree for another. There is a lot of production planning associated with getting orders out, and there is usually a sales agent associated with each product family at a large company like Crucible or Carpenter. Most companies will segregate market development and account management, and you'll need to excel at market development to be considered for a position as an account manager.


To get any of the jobs mentioned, you WILL NEED EXPERIENCE, and that's hard to get experience when most companies aren't going to hire you. Most of Crucible's sales and marketing team has been there 20+ years. Your best bet is to get in a Co-Op or College recruitment program. Here are links to Carpenter's programs - be sure you meet all the requirements. I would say if you don't qualify for a program like that, and don't get the proper training, or don't end up with the experience, you will have a very hard time getting into the specialty metals industry.

Carpenter Co-Op Program
Carpenter College Recruitment Program


Here is a cheat sheet from Carpenter for a Market Development Position. Account Management will require even more experience, between 5-10 years of experience.

Market Development Job
A Bachelor’s degree in Materials Science or Metallurgy combined with a minimum of three or more years of sales (or other commercial exposure) and product development experience; three or more years in specialty alloys industry supervision is required. The candidate selected will also have:

The ability to apply management expertise to set direction, resolve problems and provide guidance to employees in own area of responsibility or department.
The breadth and depth of technical or functional expertise in own area of responsibility or department; may be acquiring knowledge of other related areas of departments.
The ability to adapt area/departmental plans and priorities to address business and operational challenges.
The ability to influences or provide input to forecasting and planning resources; may manage allocated budget.
Practical understanding of industrial/manufacturing principles, standards, methods and practices.

Good luck. I would try and get a job in the medical field, or be a lawyer if I were you.
 
As justice said look into co-ops they look fantastic on your resume and is a good way to help your parents pay for college. Most co-ops make more than double minimum wage. I did.
 
If you want to go into technical sales, you will need a technical degree. A business or other liberal arts degree won't cut it.

IIRC, the University of Northern Iowa has an excellent metallurgy program, which has been focused on the steel industry.
 
DDA2011 and Knarfeng are both correct. You will need a technical degree, probably in Materials Science. Also, don't limit yourself to just ferrous alloys or you will specialize yourself into a corner. Things to know: It's common to have a combination of metals, ceramics, and polymers in an assembly, and you will need to know how they will react (i.e. glavanic corrosion, plating, etc.) to sell them to a potential customer. You will also need to understand and provide technical information. To get an idea of the type of information you will be dealing with, look up a copy of Mil-HDBK-5. I believe the Defense Logistics Agency has a free copy online. Just google "dodssp".

In addition to straight sales, you may also be asked to work with your customer to address quality control problems, material qualifications, and product improvements.

As a precautionary tale, look up the debacle involving Western Titanium. They sold out-of-spec materials to Boeing, USAF, NASA, and Pratt and Whitney, and has been in hot water for the last 5 years.
 
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