Binny Hill built STI 2011 competitor race gun

[KaBar]

Just picked this up the other day from a friend who bought it to shoot in the open matches, his sponsors would not let him move from single stack so I picked it up. I think I'll turn it in to a carry gun. RMR rear sight, back up irons, and rethread the barrel to use it for a silencer host.

 

[Shorttime]

Some collection!

I would like to see how well these carry concealed. Especially your new race gun. It looks like there are a lot of distinctive "gun parts" to print through your clothing.

Unless you are allowed to carry openly.

 

[CWL]

Looks like you know your M1911's, but why would you turn a race gun into a carry? Kinda like running a Ferrari on a dirt road, with the same dangers to performance when under not-so-ideal (self defense) conditions.

You'd have to downgrade that pistol to make it reliable enough for daily carry and to cycle/fire defensive ammo. You already have a nice collection going, and I'd choose that Nighthawk or Springer over the race gun any day.

 

[KaBar]

Why, because its a benny hill... It's like taking a nascar stock car and making it street legal. Its not pratical but it'll stomp just about anything else on the street.

Actually, your not sacrificing performance for defensive ammo. The .38 super comp ammo that I use is loaded extremly hot, its on the upper end of the major power factor and a bit over the SAAMI MAP....BUT... my barrel is ramped and fully supported and can handle rounds that would blow up lesser builds. In fact, the rounds are loaded so hot that I have to use rifle primers to keep from blowing out the primer. Some of the loads Im shooting is running 1400 FPS with a 124g .355 hollow point. Compair that to a .357 magnum and add the facts that its 1. very accurate 2. large mag capacity. Weaker loads is running in the realm of 9mm +P ammo but dont work as well because the rounds need some Umph to work that compensator. These guns need HOT ammo, theres more recoil on a weaker load compaired to something that can keep the gun running flat.

As for the gun its self, I wont have to do anything mechanically. The actions going to be a bit slower because of the extra weight but its not going to be enough for the average shooter (or me) to be able to tell the difference. Because the barrel is fully ramped unlike most 1911 varients it will feed any type of bullet reliably, I can drop the slide stop and it will load a empty case. High end race guns are built to be 100% reliable, any kind of failure will kill your stage...If you have to rack the slide you are out of the running.

Thickness is the only real down side to the 2011 for a carry gun, but some people do carry them.

 

[BePrepared]

oh PLEASE don't mutillate that gun.. that thing is PERFECT just as it is

 

[Shann]

That's a beautiful collection you've got there. Do they play Benny Hill's theme song when you are running from station to station during a competition?

 

[CWL]

All guns are built to be 100% reliable, yet things still happen. How come comp gun features aren't used in full house custom builds meant for defensive carry?

The two types of pistols started at one point and their paths veered, one geared towards competition reliability while the other for carry reliability. They're not the same.

I don't doubt that speed racer isn't a thing of quality & beauty, but it's meant for beating the clock, not for use if you get knocked into the mud by some attacker and you need to draw & come-up shooting.

 

[KaBar]

All guns are built to be 100% reliable, yet things still happen. How come comp gun features aren't used in full house custom builds meant for defensive carry?

Not all guns are built to be 100% reliable, infact just about every box stock 1911 out there is packed full of MIM parts and fitted poorly. There are people who make a VERY good living making factory guns as reliable as possible.

Once again, this is not a base STI gun or a home build that somebody built from parts bought off the net, it was $4700 naimly because of its speed and reliability. Its got a fully ramped schuemann ultramatch .355 barrel with out popple holes or porting of any kind. Combine that with a aftec extractor and theres nothing that it wont feed or eject. Other than that your spring rate depends on your loads...no biggie there.

The two types of pistols started at one point and their paths veered, one geared towards competition reliability while the other for carry reliability. They're not the same.

Define competition vs carry reliability. As long as the firearm is kept clean there is no reasion why any gun used or a competition would fail because it was carried. I've carried for years and I've never had a pistol fail because it was built to tight.

As for dirt/mud, the 2011 is built with short rail sections unlike the standard 1911. It's more like a glock vs a 1911 with its full rails. They built those rails like that to help keep any dirt/mud that may get in to the action from jamming up the works. These guns are not safe queens, there working guns and hardly any of the competitors baby them. These guns have to run tens of thousands of rounds a year with out any kind of failures.

Besides the RMR if I modified it the way I want to I could compete in the limited class. The only things that makes a open class gun impractical for carry will be eliminated anyway.

You have to remember, USPSA and IPSC competitions are based on self defense use of a pistol, the whole sport is based on the advancement of carry firearms and techniques. Race guns are nothing more than faster, flatter shooting, versions of defensive pistols.

Practical shooting is a sport that evolved from experimentation with handguns used for self-defense. The researchers were an international group of private individuals, law enforcement officers, and military people generally operating independently of each other, challenging the then-accepted standards of technique, training practices, and equipment. The work was, for the most part, conducted for their own purposes without official sanction. Even so, what they learned changed the face of police and military training forever.

 

[CWL]

Carry what you want, but if you're trying to impress me just because of builder or parts used, I have pistols that cost much more than $4700. Also have pistols worth more than $4700 after they were built... let's just say that our philosophies differ. Reason why I quit IPSC was because the practical part of the name became impractical.

 

[harkamus]

There are people that say using a race gun as a carry gun could lead to law suits if you actually ended up shooting someone. Is there any truth to that?

 

[KaBar]

As long as the shooting is justified than no it does not matter. Where you open yourself up for liability is when you accidently disscharge a firearm because something like the grip safety is dissabled and you put your finger on the trigger and accidently shoot somebody.

Short awnser is nobody has EVER been charged with shooting somebody with a firearm thats had a safety device removed or dissabled, as long as its a clean justified shoot then your fine.

Love to see those expensive guns of yours, What types do you own CWL?

 

[emopunker2004]

As long as the shooting is justified than no it does not matter. Where you open yourself up for liability is when you accidently disscharge a firearm because something like the grip safety is dissabled and you put your finger on the trigger and accidently shoot somebody.

Short awnser is nobody has EVER been charged with shooting somebody with a firearm thats had a safety device removed or dissabled, as long as its a clean justified shoot then your fine.

Love to see those expensive guns of yours, What types do you own CWL?

I'd say you are delusional.

 

[MVF]

I don't think I'd want to be in a defensive situation with a competition trigger. How light is the trigger on that STI? ADs are never a good thing.

Are you saying that some of the safeties are disabled?

 

[KaBar]

I'd say you are delusional.

Prove me wrong

I can easily up the trigger weight by using a factory main spring and still retain the crispness. And yes, the grip safety is disabled, its snipped. I've got another to swap in if I start to carry it.