I purchased a copy of 2004 sporting knives at a half price book shop yesterday. Actually I paid only $7 for it and it is brand new. Anyway, they list a Black Ice model from Schrade. Did this go into production? I don't remember ever seeing one in retail or available on the net.
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Black ice?
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Good question, Phil. This might be another example of the XT4, advertised and illustrated in the factory 2004 catalog, but never made it to production.
Here is the pic guys.
And I always buy my knife and gun annuals the following year as well at a fraction of the original price. Funny how some guns-- and knives-- get announced to much fanfare, and the there is a resounding disinterest from the public and they never go into production.
Phil
Here is the pic guys.
And I always buy my knife and gun annuals the following year as well at a fraction of the original price. Funny how some guns-- and knives-- get announced to much fanfare, and the there is a resounding disinterest from the public and they never go into production.
Phil
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Schrade had this listed on their website but I can't remember ever seeing these for sale. I can see why Schrade was having problems. Much of their new stuff was really subpar compared to what they had been making. I think the handle is ugly with a capital "u". I have a Badger folder I found at Sears for $6 which I'm not fond of and it will probably end up in my upcoming garage sale.
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The SQ111 Black ice was listed in the 2003 catalog, but not the 2004. The viper was also dropped for 2004. Except the SQ247 4x4 diamondplate, which is also a Viper pattern. I have never seen an SQ111, evidently the first of the "Q3" patterns.
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SQ111 Black Ice
SQ222 Viper Gray
SQ224 Viper Blue
SQ247 4x4 Viper
SQ312 Nitro Gray
SQ316 Nitro Blue
SQ421 Silhouette Black
SQ423 Silhouette Red
SQ424 Silhouette Blue
SQ432S Silhouette Gray 1/2 serrated black blade, "quadport" handle
SQ447 4x4 Silhouette
SQ586 XTAC Drop point blue liner
SQ586T XTAC Tanto blue liner
SQ587 XTAC Drop point natural liner
SQ587T XTAC Tanto natural liner
SQ598 XTAC Drop point titanium lining
SQ598T XTAC Tanto titanium lining
SQ877 Cable Lock
(Silhouette and viper also came as CH3S, CH7S Cliphangers)
Codger
SQ111 Black Ice
SQ222 Viper Gray
SQ224 Viper Blue
SQ247 4x4 Viper
SQ312 Nitro Gray
SQ316 Nitro Blue
SQ421 Silhouette Black
SQ423 Silhouette Red
SQ424 Silhouette Blue
SQ432S Silhouette Gray 1/2 serrated black blade, "quadport" handle
SQ447 4x4 Silhouette
SQ586 XTAC Drop point blue liner
SQ586T XTAC Tanto blue liner
SQ587 XTAC Drop point natural liner
SQ587T XTAC Tanto natural liner
SQ598 XTAC Drop point titanium lining
SQ598T XTAC Tanto titanium lining
SQ877 Cable Lock
(Silhouette and viper also came as CH3S, CH7S Cliphangers)
philw said:
The Badger was not so shocking because it was another cheap one from the Irish factory. I actually liked the handle design, but the build quality was definitely worth no more than $6 (although I paid more for one just to have it).
The other new US-made linerlock models were also neat designs made poorly, but they were priced at $30+. The liners were too skinny and didn't fit. They mashed the edge of the liner to make a bit of it actually touch the blade on some. It's weird because the blade/handle fit was very good on some, but then there would be a poor liner fit.
This is one of the negative things in my mixed-feelings-for-schrade bag. It almost doesn't matter what the price is if you give people something they can't get somewhere else, but Schrade didn't give us that with the new lineup. They gave us the same "good enough to call a knife" level that is available everywhere.
Still, I don't blame them entirely because what are you supposed to do when Walmart keeps choosing the cheapest junk they can find? Their display case doesn't even contain actual knives anymore, just pictures (in a store that likes to sell the same products for years). Some stores haven't even updated the $2 poster in their case, and still display the old Schrades. You see a Schrade in the picture, ask for #10 (or whatever it is), and they gladly hand you a chinese knife that has the same number of blades without saying a word. I guess they don't think their products are worth looking directly at. If you want to actually see the product you are buying, your standards are obviously too high for what they are selling.
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Ah yes, Wally world. They do have an Achilles heel in the smaller market stores. Older retired folks behind the sporting goods counter. I've had several very interesting conversations with some about knives. Mine, theirs, and Uncle Wally's. One old gent in particular proudly handed over his EDC jigged bone Queen for my inspection and appreciation. We had a good talk about the possibility of Chinese "Schrades" appearing in Wal-Mart in the near future, and the current offerings pictured in the display. He even forked over five "near-schrades" for me to examine. I think it is important that we seperate the Mom and Pop and Sis who lost their hardware store and finally found a parttime "associate" position with Walmart to keep their home, and corporate decisions way above their pay scale.
As for the poor to middeling quality of the last few years of the "space-debris" from Schrade, talk to a former employee from the line, a QC inspector, or a former member of management, and you will see that they no longer drove the bus. Consultant "egg-spurts" decided the outcome of the product, and ultimately, of Schrade.
I find the "space-debris" interesting mainly because they represent what could have been decent knives, and in the fact that whether usable or not, they are collectable in that so few were produced. Sort of like a poorly designed and produced car from a longtime company that went belly up. I certainly would not have paid retail for any of them. A Simon maybe. With MSRPs of $60, I went looking for old stock Old Timers for my wants and needs until the ship hit the sand.
IMHO, it was sheer foolishness for Schrade to try to compete with Chinese knives, and doubly foolish to get entangled in the Wal-Mart price point trap. And trusting the bankers? Well, we see where that ultimately lead.
Codger
As for the poor to middeling quality of the last few years of the "space-debris" from Schrade, talk to a former employee from the line, a QC inspector, or a former member of management, and you will see that they no longer drove the bus. Consultant "egg-spurts" decided the outcome of the product, and ultimately, of Schrade.
I find the "space-debris" interesting mainly because they represent what could have been decent knives, and in the fact that whether usable or not, they are collectable in that so few were produced. Sort of like a poorly designed and produced car from a longtime company that went belly up. I certainly would not have paid retail for any of them. A Simon maybe. With MSRPs of $60, I went looking for old stock Old Timers for my wants and needs until the ship hit the sand.
IMHO, it was sheer foolishness for Schrade to try to compete with Chinese knives, and doubly foolish to get entangled in the Wal-Mart price point trap. And trusting the bankers? Well, we see where that ultimately lead.
Codger
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Here is a pic that Codger asked me to post here. Along with this description from the old Schrade web site:
When Schrade introduced the Silhouette line last year, we redefined high tech and high performance. Our Q3 Technology-quick, quite, quality is clearly evident in the new SQ432S. This dynamic item is a Silhouette with attitude! Distinctive "Quad Ports" embellish the aircraft grade, gun metal grey aluminum handle. The aggresive blade serration not only looks like a croc ready to strike it's prey-it cuts through rope, hose and cable like butter. The 3" Blade is blackened and the two sided lifter does not discriminate against lefties!
The 'Black Ice'? I sure don't see any evidence of it ever being made.
Phil
ps.. 2004 Sporting knives ironically featured Schrade knives on the cover.
When Schrade introduced the Silhouette line last year, we redefined high tech and high performance. Our Q3 Technology-quick, quite, quality is clearly evident in the new SQ432S. This dynamic item is a Silhouette with attitude! Distinctive "Quad Ports" embellish the aircraft grade, gun metal grey aluminum handle. The aggresive blade serration not only looks like a croc ready to strike it's prey-it cuts through rope, hose and cable like butter. The 3" Blade is blackened and the two sided lifter does not discriminate against lefties!
The 'Black Ice'? I sure don't see any evidence of it ever being made.
Phil
ps.. 2004 Sporting knives ironically featured Schrade knives on the cover.
