black scale(?) forming on my blades when grinding?

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I got a big retrieval magnet to do surface grinding on my 2x42. I can now keep the blanks on the belt for quite a bit longer. But now I keep getting black up and down my blanks.

Is this scale forming? Any tricks to get rid of it? Vinegar again?:confused:
 
Sounds to me like either overheating, or the magnet holding on to metal shavings. But pic will get you an answer right away i'd bet.
 
Black? or Dark Blue?

A photo would help us answer.

I'm color blind, it could be a very dark blue. But it looks black.

Sounds to me like either overheating, or the magnet holding on to metal shavings. But pic will get you an answer right away i'd bet.

Definitely not metal shavings.

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I can now keep the blanks on the belt for quite a bit longer

Possibly keeping the blade on the belt for so long is generating so much heat that the epoxy binder on the belt is melting and "gunking" up your blade? Looks like "gunk" to me...
 
Were you grinding something else with the same belt, that left some kind of goop on there? :confused:
 
Were you grinding something else with the same belt, that left some kind of goop on there? :confused:

No, just the blade blanks. As for any kind of resin coming off the belts, don't think so. The belts look normal. I'm assuming this is some scale that develops from the intense heat.

Theres nothing come off the belt (that I can see) and nothing on the magnet is scraping the belt or the blade.
 
I doubt very much that you're generating enough heat to develop scale. Do the marks come off with hot soapy water, or acetone? Or do you have to sand/grind them off?
 
I doubt very much that you're generating enough heat to develop scale. Do the marks come off with hot soapy water, or acetone? Or do you have to sand/grind them off?

I just tried grinding em off. They came off a little, but for the most part its still there. I had the same thing yesterday using an 80 grit belt. Then I hit it with a 36 and it came off (along with another 1/32" of steel). Today same thing happened when I hit the same blades to smooth em out with another brand spankin new 80 grit.

The only thing Ive done different is use a magnet. So whats causing it? Nothing coming off the magnet, magnet doesnt touch the belt or the side being grinded....

So really the only change is how long I'm grinding it against the belt and the heat being generated. Has to be heat related.
 
Is the platen under the 2x42 metal? If so is it possible that the magnet is pulling the knife down to hard onto the belt and causing an overheat situation? that is a seriously beefy magnet. Anyway that is just a thought.
 
What steel is it, and did you get it from Admiral? :D

Yup, I want to know the steel and the source too. Another thing is that some of the higher alloy steels can have a tendency to be a might "gummy" with fast speeds and higher grit belts.

If you can slow your grinder down and use fresh "QUALITY" belts, I think you might see a difference.

Robert
 
Its 440C from Alpha Knife Supply. The platen is metal, however the liner is 3/16" thick ceramic, there is a very slight noticible pull on the magnet.

As for slowing it down, not gunna happen. Its a 2x42 Craftsman that is insane fast.
 
Another vote for belt gunk. The belts won't look bad, but the grinder is so fast that the heat melts some of the stuff off of the belt.
 
I sat back for a day to let the others post advise. I believe it is exactly what they are calling "belt gunk".

The grit on the belt is held in place by being encased in a resin layer. At the too high speed of you 2X42, combined with allowing the blade to get much hotter than when hand grinding,plus pressing too hard,..... it melts and burns this resin.
No real damage to the blade, and probably not much to the belt.

To deal with this there are several things to do.
The best option would be to slow down the grinder....since that isn't going to happen...
The next is to not heat up the blade so much. Start with pressing less hard and cooling the blade more frequently by dunking it in water. Try and avoid long continuous grinds. Grind a pass, lift the blade for a few seconds, grind another pass, dunk, etc.
Things like using a different belt type might help, too, but keeping the blade cooler will be the most simple option for your setup.
The black streaks may be more of a problem with some metals than others because some grind more "gummy".

The black stuff will grind/sand off, so don't worry too much about it anyway.




The final solution to your problem is - Start saving up for a GIB or KMG clone kit. IAAP, make it VS.

When someone says they can't afford a tool or product, a good solution is to lease out your shop.....to yourself.
Put a coffee can with a slot in the lid on the wall or near the door. EVERY time you go out to work on a knife, stick $5 in the slot. You have no problem spending $5 on a beverage, or a hamburger, or gas to drive across town to a store,...so why not save a few for your grinder. In much less than a year you can order the new grinder and have the money painlessly. Epoxy on the lid, to avoid the temptation to "Grab a few bucks".If you raid the can every time you want to go out to eat, it will never get full. If $5 is unrealistic, try $1 and save a little longer.

Another good way to save for a tool is to pay for it in coins. The average person can save several hundred dollars a year just by keeping all the coins they get in change every day. Don't spend any coins. Instead, every night, dump the coins from the day into a big jar/bottle/can. Roll them every six months or yearly and put the rolls in a box labeled GRINDER. Just like the previous savings suggestion...don't spend it on anything but the tool you are saving for.
 
Another good way to save for a tool is to pay for it in coins. The average person can save several hundred dollars a year just by keeping all the coins they get in change every day. Don't spend any coins. Instead, every night, dump the coins from the day into a big jar/bottle/can. Roll them every six months or yearly and put the rolls in a box labeled GRINDER. Just like the previous savings suggestion...don't spend it on anything but the tool you are saving for.

this is how I pay for my fall "guys only" fishing trip every year. I don't even roll them, just take the 10pound jar into the bank and use their automatic sorter/counter. no hassle with SWMBO either. :)
 
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