Blade coatings

hope this helps you out~ (tan, tiger, olive drab & black).

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killerkain

[This message has been edited by killerkain (edited 01-28-2001).]
 
Thanks KillerKain,

I really like that tiger stripe. I wonder if it's available in green and black....

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Ben Lee
AOL IM: MSURifleman
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">originally posted by E-WOK:
The black coating is a byproduct of the heat treat. The black stuff is bead blasted off to create that look.</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">originally posted by Mick Strider:
It’s all luck really...
The cool thing is that it lasts longer than a coating would. Because you’re not adding anything. You’re taking it away. Plus you get some differing hues in there. Fading from very dark red at the cutting edge to black.

Don't think of it as scale, think of it as discoloration. Though scale is the correct term. Our blades never experience actual scaling.

Carpe Diem
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I hope this helps you out a little more BenLeeMS. Try doing a search on "tiger stripe" in this forum and it will bring up a lot of informative stuff.

killerkain
 
BenLeeMS - The tiger stripe is created by selectively bead blasting the blade after heat treating. I have a custom folder w/ a tiger stripe blade, and it is great
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. It goes from almost a deep red at the cutting edge to black towards the spine. It is supposed to be more wear resistant than a coating, because when it is created, you take material away instead of adding to it. Hope this helps.
 
How about a blade coating to match the Marine Corps. new BDU's? If in fact they go with the digital camoflage.

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killerkain

P.S. I'm not serious!

[This message has been edited by killerkain (edited 02-09-2001).]
 
Since you brought it up, I'm not all that crazy about the proposed camouflage. It doesn't break up the outline enough. It seems too busy. The regular woodland seems to do a better job.
 
actually, it DOES work better than the regular woodland IMHO...
the picture posted doesn't do a good job of displaying the actual benefits...
the pockets are in better places, the pads for the knees and elbows are a great idea, and gaiters aren't a bad idea, at least in some a.o.s
the only thing i don't like is the blousing feature and the built in boot bands that don't really work...
horse

the pattern, if seen up close or in the bush; actually looks a lot better and works as well as tiger stripe camo, if not better...

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Fear and Bullets."
 
Crowinghorse,

That's the whole point. It's not how is looks up close, but far out in the field. I do like how the new uniform is structured, but the camo pattern is aweful. I think it might work if the splotches were bigger.

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Ben Lee
AOL IM: MSURifleman
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BenLeeMS:
Crowinghorse,
That's the whole point. It's not how is looks up close, but far out in the field. I do like how the new uniform is structured, but the camo pattern is aweful. I think it might work if the splotches were bigger.</font>
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Actually, it depends on what environment you are in. Usually a soldier wearing camouflage is somewhere where there is foliage. If there is foliage then there really isn't the ability to see great distances. (example: jungle warfare). Therefore, up close is what really counts. Granted, I wouldn’t be caught wearing this stuff if I was engaging in urban warfare. Just my opinion.

killerkain
~Semper Fi~

P.S. by the way BenLeeMS, do you have any military background?
 
Hey gents,
The main issue with the New Cammies is Why?

We don't have enough funding for live ammo, but we have enough for new cammies? I can think of plenty of items we should have gotten instead of this BS. E-4's and below qualify for welfare still, but we need new cammies. Also, why not use a pattern that actually works. This stuff does not. You can tell me all of the BS you want, but I have seen it in the field at multiple ranges. It provides minimal concealment. This is a perfect example of the sheer stupidity that leads our services. I wonder who is getting the kick back from the clothing manufacturer?

S/F

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My only experience with the new Camouflage is reading a USA Today article posted above a urinal.

The article mentioned two Generals, one Army and one Marine. It mentioned that the Army General had mandated that all Soldiers will wear black berets now as head gear and that the new camouflage was the Marine Generals reaction to people mistaking his Marines for "Mere Soldiers". He wanted something distinctive. It also mentioned that the new pattern is to be patented to keep the other services from using it and that the pattern is made up of not only pixels, but small Eagles and Anchors.

Again, I have no real information on this change, but if the story is to be taken at face value . . . couldn't the Generals just compare "units" and save some money that could be used for pay raises?

John
 
I didn't see the article in question, but you can rest assured that any Marine general who refers to members of the Army as "mere soldiers" will quickly be looking for employment elsewhere (and by that I mean someplace where you don't wear any kind of cammies).

As far as the new camouflage pattern is concerned, my only real requirement is that it does a better job of concealing our men. Kneepads are great, but they don't stop bullets. I don't care if the pattern is unique or patented or pixelated with teeny pictures of bunny rabbits as long as it makes it harder for the enemy to spot our troops. If they can't accomplish that, then they are a waste of money and resources. If they can, then maybe we should be a little more willing to share the technology with our comrades in arms.

Has the Corps done away with those stupid ass name tapes yet? That's one easy way for the Marines to distinguish themselves from the other services that doesn't require a Master's degree in graphic arts.

Mr Joshua brings up a good point when he wonders exactly where our financial priorities lay at present. Your typical 0302 is going to be a little less stoked about his new cammies when he has to run around in combat simulation exercises yelling "bang". Unfortunately, one thing I know that hasn't changed since I left active duty, is how near to impossible it is transfer significant amounts of money from one pot to another within the DOD. It's not entirely the generals' faults that this situation exists. The entire DOD financial accounting system needs to be revamped, but this will no doubt be a long and drawn out process. In the meantime, I hope that 7+% payraise isn't too far off for those of you still on AD.

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Semper Fi

-Bill
 
Jesus F'ing Christ, I was hoping no one would mention that f'ing disgrace with the Army. The general should be dismissed for making such a lame ass suggestion. It is a f'ing dishonor to Rangers everywhere to have EVERYONE wear the coveted black beret. You want one? Get your sorry ass to Ranger school, nut it up and EARN IT. As for as the jarheads, why do they all of a sudden think they are special and want to demand all kinds of special equipment? Their not a small specops unit that could afford it, but a large light infantry amphibous assault force. They don't need computerflage, Osprey's or any other goofy idea junk. No offense to any of you Uncle Sam's Misguided Children. It's just the new command y'all have now...hell, its no better than the Army's I guess...
I like picking on jarheads because they think they can charge by themselves butt nekkid with only a Ka-Bar and take out the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
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Ben Lee
AOL IM: MSURifleman
 
Bronco

I am only regurgitating (pardon the pun there Mick) what I read. I'm pretty confident that I got the "Mere Soldiers" comments correctly quoted.

Searching USA Today, I found the first two paragraphs of the article. The second paragraph should give you some idea of the Generals tone:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Designed with the help of Marine sharpshooters, the new uniform features a digitally generated camouflage pattern. Up close, it resembles computer pixels, but from a distance it blends into the background faster than the current design, Marine officials say.

The uniform is the brainchild of Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Jones, who pines for the days when enemy forces and friendly allies could distinguish Marines from other U.S. troops.</font>
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The next paragraph which is not on the site began about the pissing match between the two Generals and their wanting their respective services to be "Distinctive".

Again, my attention was divided between the work at hand and reading the article pinned to the wall above the urinal.

I have some experience with the press and don't trust their reporting very far, but I think the Beret issue and the patenting of the new camouflage design (including the cute little eagles and anchors) to keep other U.S. services from using this "wonderflage" speaks volumes.

Respectfully

John

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John,
Thanks for posting those paragraphs from the USA Today article. Believe it or not, IMHO there exists a fine line of differentiation between saying that Marines are trying to distinguish themselves "from other U.S. troops", versus referring to Army servicemembers as "mere soldiers". And though the differences in tone may seem small, they are, in fact, quite important.

Marines work extremely hard to be the best at what they do, and in this way they do strive to distinguish themselves from the other services. Whether or not they are successful in this endeavor is something that BenLee and I can disagree about over a friendly beer,
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but regardless, it is not considered bad form for a Marine general to acknowledge that this goal exists. However, any general worth his salt will stop short of denigrating the members of a competing service. In other words, referring to the Army as "mere soldiers" would be seen more as an attempt to tear down a fellow service (bad), rather than an attempt to build up your own (good). I hope for his sake that he didn't use this phrase. Likewise, I'll agree that these interservice pissing matches can seem silly at times, but all in all, competition is a good thing. Unfortunately, none of this addresses the real issue of whether or not this cammie pattern is truly any better than what came before.

BenLee,
Considering how the Marines have traditionally been the red-headed stepchildren of the military procurement process, I think it's great that an 0302 finally has access to a decent pair of combat boots and a backpack that won't cost him a million dollars out of his own pocket. As far as the Osprey is concerned, I'll grant you that it's going through a rough period right now, but if successful, this new technology could significantly enhance our maneuver warfare capability. Let's give them a chance to work out the bugs (but keep the troops off them until they do).

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Semper Fi

-Bill
 
Before you know it, we wil be fighting in our alphas and blues. So the enemy can tell us apart? What kind of stupid ass idea is that.

As far as the beret issue. Since you guys focus mainly on commercials now a days, I think the French look might work for your recruiting. It might appeal to the more feminine man that the army is famous for. Just kidding.

On a serious note; I watched the Senate Defense Budget Committee yesterday and there was more mention of "joint" services than I have ever heard. They kept talking about the redundancies of each service and how it would be more cost effective to combine some of them. Pray to your gods, my friends. It appears they may give us all purple berets.


S/F

Out
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Bronco:


Has the Corps done away with those stupid ass name tapes yet? That's one easy way for the Marines to distinguish themselves from the other services that doesn't require a Master's degree in graphic arts.
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We still have those stupid name tapes. I hate those dumb ass things.

Shawn



[This message has been edited by MrCas (edited 02-13-2001).]
 
Thanks, Shawn. I was afraid that was the case.

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-Bill
 
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