Blade steel in SS vs. FRC models

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I just bought my first SS Spyderco, the Dragonfly. Really a nicely made little knife. I notice that it is one of the few Spydercos in which the SS model has a more highly regarded steel than the FRN model (ATS-55 vs AUS 8). Since they are more expensive I am curious why the better steel seems to go into the plastic handled models (Delica for example AUS-6 vs. ATS-55, or Native AUS-10 vs CPM 440V). I really like the knife, but given the choice of equal steel I might have opted for the lightweight version. Why the different steels?

Rick
 
Simple economics:
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Nice handle, O.K. steel = premium price
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Cheap handle, higher grade steel = lower price
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I've read that the blade steel is not really the main factor in knife pricing. I agree. Think of the tooling costs to build a lockback handle out of all metal parts vs. just injection molding the whole thing in one shot.

A perfect example is the lovely Calypso Jr. Mine is micarta-handled, not metal, and the blade is "only" AUS-8 steel. The handle is incredible, almost custom in fit finish and appearance. The lightweight version has a VG-10 blade, but of course then one has to "settle" for a FRN handle and those infernal little holes on the non-clip side to make it ambidextous. I guess it's up to the buyer to weigh the benefits of each model and purchase according to his/her own requirements.

PM

[This message has been edited by mr44 (edited 01-21-2001).]
 
I understand what you are saying, it just doesn't make sense to me. If blade steel makes little difference in price why not just put the good steel in both knives? Perhaps it has to do with the factories in which they are made, but I was curious if there was any other logic (maybe people with SS knives like an easier to sharpen steel, or one that won't corrode as easily). I sure would like to see a Calypso Jr. with micarta handles in VG-10, I can live with the infernal holes in exchange for a better steel.

Rick
 
Hi Rick. Sorry for the confusion. The reasons for the different steels in the different models is not logical. In each case, it was done for a different reason. Sometimes economics, sometimes not.

examples:

The original Calypso jr was done with AUS-8. It was an experimental model and we needed to get a sample into the marketplace. AUS-8 is a good steel with many excellent properties and it permits us to get a "feel" for the ELU reaction to the design. Had we made it with ATS-34, the additional cost would have affected reaction (cost) and would not have told us if the ELU liked the design. At the time, we had just introduced the Moran with VG-10 and we needed some history on VG-10 in the field before putting it into more than one model. (We were the first company to use VG-10 in production). Once the design was received well, we had some hsitory on VG-10 and used it in the production model. Why FRN instead of micarta? It provides a better performing knife with a lower price and provides about 4 times the sales as the micarta version.

In the case of the Endura and Delica, the market was asking for a steel model (a la Police), at a lower price point. So the Endura and Delica, already proven designs, seemed like the way to go with a less expensive AUS-6 steel. Still a good steel, though not exotic.

Also please keep in mind that Spyderco is "fussy" about our heat treat so you can expect to get maximum performance from any steel we select. Putting an exotic steel in a knife offers attractive sales, but if the heat treat is not up to spec, the performance is not there despite the exotic steel.

I hope that makes more sense to you now.

sal
 
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