Blade steel question.

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You guys probably have knives with at least one of each blade steel that spyderco has used. I wanted to see a comparison between each blade steel when it comes to edge holding, but I only have spydies in VG-10, CPM S30V and 8cr13mov. Since we will have to use a control steel, take VG-10 as having an edge holding ability of 1 and work your way up the chart. Specifically, if anyone could compare the following I would be very greatful:

- CPM S30V
- CPM S60V
- CPM S90V
- CPM D2
- BG-42
- ZDP-189
- H1

If you want to use a different control instead of VG-10 go for it.

Thanks
 
You guys probably have knives with at least one of each blade steel that spyderco has used. I wanted to see a comparison between each blade steel when it comes to edge holding, but I only have spydies in VG-10, CPM S30V and 8cr13mov. Since we will have to use a control steel, take VG-10 as having an edge holding ability of 1 and work your way up the chart. Specifically, if anyone could compare the following I would be very greatful:

- CPM S30V
- CPM S60V
- CPM S90V
- CPM D2
- BG-42
- ZDP-189
- H1

If you want to use a different control instead of VG-10 go for it.

Thanks

Pure edge holding would go something like this:

H1, VG-10, CPM S30V, CPM S60V, CPM D2, BG-42, ZDP-189, CPMS90V
 
And here I am. ;) :D

The first thing I should stress is that my use is not typical. I work in building maintenance, and our apartments have a lot of concrete, steel and sheetrock in their construction. As a result, I deal with a lot of rather abrasive materials, which skews my results in favor of high vanadium steels. So take what I say with a grain or ten of salt.

In acending order, this is how I personally would rate Spyderco's steels.

AUS-6. Takes a good sharp edge, but just doesn't stay that way for long. More prone to rolling than chipping.

AUS-8. Holds up better than AUS-6, but still not too impressive. My first Spyderco knives were AUS-8, and I moved on to other brands for almost a decade with no idea why people thought Spydercos were so great.

440C. Spyderco does a good job with the heat-treatment, and the steel is pretty good stuff.

ATS-55. I know some folks really like this stuff, but it doesn't really impress me. It seems to work better in serrations than plain edge, at least for me.

8Cr13MoV. The Chinese alphabet soup steel used in the Tenacious and Byrds has proven to be much better than the price point would hint at.

H-1. I really haven't used this steel much. I live a very long way from the ocean, in a place that averages less than 18" of rainfall per year, so rust-proof is not a big selling point with me. I'm carrying a Mariner Salt now, so we'll see how it goes.

52100 (MT01) Takes a very fine edge, but it didn't stand up to my work all that well.

154CM. Note: This is where I rank non-Spyderco 154CM, as I do not yet have a Spydie in this steel.

GIN-1/G-2. The more I use my older Spydies, the better I like this stuff.

VG-10. A Very good all-around steel. More prone to rolling than chipping, this is better than the average knife user would ever need.

ATS-34. Maybe it should be below VG-10, but for whatever reason, I like it better and it seems to hold an edge a bit better for me.

S30V. More prone to chipping than rolling, but the vanadium carbides let it take on abrasive materials more successfully.

BG-42. Good stuff, takes a very sharp edge and holds it better than it should for how easy it is to sharpen.

CPM D-2. Less prone to chipping than S30V, good edge holding and nearly stainless. Makes a very good work knife for me.

CMP M4 (MT02). Good stuff if you keep it dry. I had rust issues with it even here in the near-desert.

440V/S60V. Aside from the early Military batch that used the CPM suggested heat-treat that proved to be a bit too hard, an excellent steel that holds a good working edge for a long time.

ZDP-189. A somewhat tricky steel. Once I learned how to sharpen it correctly, it takes a very fine edge that lasts very well, although it is more prone to chipping than rolling.

S90V. The best I've found so far for what I do. Sure, it takes longer to sharpen, but for me, it is definitely worth it.
 
Whoops. Will CPM D2 hold an edge for a lot longer than S30V or BG-42? I'm interested in how big the difference is between all the "super steels" (starting from VG-10)
 
Whoops. Will CPM D2 hold an edge for a lot longer than S30V or BG-42? I'm interested in how big the difference is between all the "super steels" (starting from VG-10)

Using VG-10 as "100%" I'd say CPM D2 is about 130%, or 30% more edge retention. This is a guess based on my uses (D2 Para, D2 Millie).
 
In my experience, CPM D2 is only a little better than S30V and BG-42. For me, the three steels are pretty much a tie, with BG-42 taking a much nicer edge, CPM D2 taking impact with hard surfaces better and S30V being easier to replace than either. Most people don't use their knives hard enough to tell the difference between premium steels.
 
And here I am. ;) :D

The first thing I should stress is that my use is not typical. I work in building maintenance, and our apartments have a lot of concrete, steel and sheetrock in their construction. As a result, I deal with a lot of rather abrasive materials, which skews my results in favor of high vanadium steels. So take what I say with a grain or ten of salt.

In acending order, this is how I personally would rate Spyderco's steels.

AUS-6. Takes a good sharp edge, but just doesn't stay that way for long. More prone to rolling than chipping.

AUS-8. Holds up better than AUS-6, but still not too impressive. My first Spyderco knives were AUS-8, and I moved on to other brands for almost a decade with no idea why people thought Spydercos were so great.

440C. Spyderco does a good job with the heat-treatment, and the steel is pretty good stuff.

ATS-55. I know some folks really like this stuff, but it doesn't really impress me. It seems to work better in serrations than plain edge, at least for me.

8Cr13MoV. The Chinese alphabet soup steel used in the Tenacious and Byrds has proven to be much better than the price point would hint at.

H-1. I really haven't used this steel much. I live a very long way from the ocean, in a place that averages less than 18" of rainfall per year, so rust-proof is not a big selling point with me. I'm carrying a Mariner Salt now, so we'll see how it goes.

52100 (MT01) Takes a very fine edge, but it didn't stand up to my work all that well.

154CM. Note: This is where I rank non-Spyderco 154CM, as I do not yet have a Spydie in this steel.

GIN-1/G-2. The more I use my older Spydies, the better I like this stuff.

VG-10. A Very good all-around steel. More prone to rolling than chipping, this is better than the average knife user would ever need.

ATS-34. Maybe it should be below VG-10, but for whatever reason, I like it better and it seems to hold an edge a bit better for me.

S30V. More prone to chipping than rolling, but the vanadium carbides let it take on abrasive materials more successfully.

BG-42. Good stuff, takes a very sharp edge and holds it better than it should for how easy it is to sharpen.

CPM D-2. Less prone to chipping than S30V, good edge holding and nearly stainless. Makes a very good work knife for me.

CMP M4 (MT02). Good stuff if you keep it dry. I had rust issues with it even here in the near-desert.

440V/S60V. Aside from the early Military batch that used the CPM suggested heat-treat that proved to be a bit too hard, an excellent steel that holds a good working edge for a long time.

ZDP-189. A somewhat tricky steel. Once I learned how to sharpen it correctly, it takes a very fine edge that lasts very well, although it is more prone to chipping than rolling.

S90V. The best I've found so far for what I do. Sure, it takes longer to sharpen, but for me, it is definitely worth it.

I know you said you don't have an experience with Spyderco's 154CM steel, but do you have experience with Benchmade's? If so, is it better than VG-10 in terms of edge holding?
 
I will agree with Yablanowitz but will add Vascowear ( not a spyderco steel) above D2, just under CPM M4. I'll add these just for perspective

At the top will be S110V , and 10V, both not yet Spyderco steels but still worth putting on the list as they will be wear resistance kings. Both are high Vanadium extreme wear resistant high carbide fraction steels that do good at moderate/high hardness. Both are not meant to be choppers.

Spyderco also used N690Co, which I'll put above 440C, in the 154cm/vg10 class
 
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