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Not a Stamp quality test but I received the 440C Blade Tech Wegner Professional Hunter Lite and the Mouse Lite today. This meant I took a break from re-flooring the entrance way and played with these knives instead.

I have likely skinned and processed 100-120 caribou over the last 20 years and have used all sorts of knives to do so. My favourite by far with aboiut a dozen caribou processed over the last few years has been Spyderco's Wegner in ATS 34. The ergos and blade shape are superb with enough point to cape and gut and enough belly to skin. The thin grip is very comfortable even when doing 5-6 caribou in one go. This knife is my reference point for excellence.

I basically compared the Wegner Lite to the C48 by cutting up stuff at home. This is what I can report.

A) Wegner Pro-Hunter Lite

1) Out of box (clam shell) sharpness is superb... maybe better than anything I have ever bought. My left arm is nearly out of hair and it virtually jumped off when hit by the Wegner. I had heard the phrase hair popping sharp before but never knew what it meant. Unfortunately I lack the skill to get it this sharp again. I can get my knives shaving sharp but not like this! Edge retention was not scientifically tested but it still scares the hair off my arm after a fair bit of light use effortlessly cutting newspapers into strips.

2) Blade Ergos: The choil is a good idea and so are the serrations on the back of the blade. the blade is slightly shorter and not as pointy as the C48.
It will be a great skinner but IMO not quite as good at caping. The difference is subtle and this is still a great blade shape for hunting. The hollow ground gives a very thin cutting profile very similar to the C48 which has proven to be excellent in use. The pear shaped hole was easy to use with perhaps a bit more friction on the thumb than the Spyderco round hole...the spring tension of the lock back also gives more resistance than the C48 liner lock but it's still easy to open.

3) Handle Ergos: For me the Blade Tech Lite falls behind here. The overall bannanna shape gives a secure grip but the FRN slabs and stainless steel spacers lead to a thick and chunky feel. (.470 vs .430 and the C48 is more rounded) The clip stands very proud from the handle and was uncomfortable for me. I actually placed it on the other side which makes pocket withdrawl and opening more awkward but is much easier on the hand. With the clip out of the way I'd rate the grip as good but not quite in the same league as the C48. The texture of the FRN was very grippy and similar to the G10. I bought it in Orange...great idea makes it harder to misplace.

4) Construction: Very good. Just the slightest hint of side to side play was easily solved by a slight tightening of the blade pivot, this did not negatively effect ease of opening. The all screw construction is a great idea. The lock up is solid with a satisfying thwack and the combination of FRN and steel slabs give a rugged feel. The clip is retained by three screws which are threaded into the steel spacers and three holes are included on both sides of the knife.

5) Conclusion: A great value. It won't replace the C48 in my heart but it will probably go hunting more. I don't like the clip design...I do like everything else. It has solved the dilemma of using and possibly losing the C48 on ugly hunts.

B) The Mouse Lite.

1) Out of box (clamshell) sharpness was good but not as good as the above.
It shaves hair but not as agressively.

2) Blade Ergos: 2 sets of serrations on the back are very useful for control and fine grips. Again this looks like a great compromise of belly and point. I wouldn't be scared of taking on a couple of caribou with this little fella. The flat grind is very nicely profiled for slicing ending with a 1/8 spine which appears pretty sturdy in a small knife like this.

3) Handle Ergos: I can crowd three fingers onto the grip but find 2.5 more practical. Comfortable and the clip is out of the way for me. .380 thick with grippy FRN that is thick enough to give fair strength. A less than 2" blade won't be a pry bar and so the handle strength seems more than sufficient for the size of knie.

4) Construction: Solid lock up, all screw construction... very good value.

5) Conclusion: The Mouse-Lite has lots of charisma. It has great ergonomics. I like it a lot and will carry it often.

I like these Lites from Blade Tech. The clamshell packaging give them a chaper look than they deserve IMO. 440C is a good steel and if the heat trip proves up to snuff these will be fine real world knives.
 
At the risk of talking to myself:

Reflooring the entrance way I had the Mouse-Lite in the watch pocket of the old Carharts so I put it to work cutting linoleum, underlay and cardboard templates. Used it like an exacto knife mostly. Before I started I stropped the little Wegner scary sharp.

Very nice slicer, the edge retention appears to be very good, and the ergo's are excellent. What I like is that it is un-noticeable until needed and then it's right there. I put a Reeve knot laynard on it for easy withdrawl and I think this little Mouse-Lite could become a big favourite.

A great, inexpensive EDC with lots of utility IMO.
 
I like the little blades with partial grips for some precison work, plus people don't tend to react that badly to them, but for EDC carry I tend to want a full grip, even on a small blade. Not so much as to allow a heavy hammer grip, you usually don't need/want a lot of force, but just with a lot of extended cutting, ergonomics after awhile is problematic with little grips.

Nice job on the commentary.

-Cliff
 
Thanks for the great overview!

I am eager to hear how these knives fair filling your freezer with meat.

Now get back to that flooring project before your wife finds you playing with your new toys :) :) :) :)
 
Knife Tester...no worries I am done stage one and my wife thinks I am a handy man genuis. I need to make sure she doesn't find out that click together flooring is designed for ham handed desk jockies such as myself.

Cliff... I agree about the value of more handle, however the Mouse fits the watch pocket perfectly and so will have a good chance of being with me instead of in the truck, pack ect. The laynyard has the effect of extending the handle if the Reeve knot is shortened up tight to the end of the handle.

The only knife I have similar in size to the Mouse is a Spyderco Dragonfly and I did some comparison cutting. The choil on the Dfly has the effect of extending the handle but of course it also shortens the cutting section of the blade. The thinner blade, pointier-point and higher flat grind of the Dfly makes it a better pure slicer and for utility use and wood working it might be a better choice. However the strength and excellent belly of the Mouse give it some definate advantages as an outdoors knife. I have no doubt you could do a decent job processing small-medium-big game with the little mouse if need be.

In the kitchen the thickness of the Mouse leads to a wedging action on some products were the dragonfly slices through. If I were designing the Mouse I would reduce the thickness slightly.

I still like it a lot and will continue to wring it out. I'll be taking it gold panning later in the week.
 
North61 said:
.. will have a good chance of being with me instead of in the truck, pack ect.

There is this, it is basically ease of carry for comfort in extended use. Not every blade has to be able to whittle a 4x4 into a point and still remain comfortable in hand.


If I were designing the Mouse I would reduce the thickness slightly.

In many cases knives are often stuck with preselected stock choices, considering the lack of a full grip, and that the design in general would seem to point it away from heavy prying, I would go with a fairly thin stock too.

You have to consider percepton through from a consumer point of view. A lot of people see thin blades as cheap, probably due to the mass of stamped cheap kitchen knives, so slightly heavier stock does say quality to some.

-Cliff
 
Brought in 6 sets of caribou ribs from the freezer to process for Jerky and worked with these knives deboning. Some sections were not completely thawed. Not the most conclusive of tests but the best I can do until moose season opens in three weeks.

I have a few pictures that might help this story but I am useless at posting pictures. If anyone is willing for me to email to them for posting I'd be very appreciative.

I also brought in the CRKT Alaskan Bwana as it has been a very useful past companion as well.

Ergonomics..Handle: Again the Spyderco Wegner is just really comfortable in my hand for a variety of grips. The Bwana is no slouch either. The clip on the Blade Tech Pro-Lite is still a bit of a problem and I am considering removing it. I do like the false choil of the Lite Hunter . Without the clip the pro-lite is very usable and secure. The highly textured FRN is maybe slightly slicker than the Spyderco C48 G10 when my hands are greasy but not bad.

The Bwana has a fantastically designed grip for my hand and is nearly the equal of the Spyderco, but not as comfortable with a reverse grip.

The Mouse-Lite is surprisingly comfortable for such a short handle but on semi-frozen parts was a bit short on leverage of course.

Ergonomics Blades: Here I was pleasantly surprised..the slightly broader sweep of the Pro-Hunter Lite is counteracted by a very extreme distal taper on the blade end. The Lite gets to a very fine edge on the end and is very similar to the Spyderco C48 in dexterity at the point. I feel it will cape as well as the Spyderco which is one of the great attributes of this knife. It is here that both knives pull well away from the Bwana.

I would be very careful about prying with the tip of the Lite however. It really does thin out, however it is very geometrical and concave and so it might be stronger than it looks. I don't plan on testing it too much.

The thin blade of the Bwana is a very great attribute for slicing and it really worked well between the ribs on semi frozen peices. It is so thin as to be semi-flexible and so it excells as a deboner. You need to be careful not to overstress such a thin blade however. The full size Wegners did well and the little Mouse had some difficulty due to it's short and thick blade binding a bit. On non frozen peices the Mouse sailed through but needed to be repositioned more due to it's shorty blade.

I really liked the different holding possibilities that the Pro-Hunter Lite had due to the grippy serrations at the back along the point and mid way. Very nice. Also the choil allowed for a choke hold for precision work.

Nice.

Edge Retention? Obviously not scientific but my impression is that the 440C of the Pro Lite Hunter is very close to the ATS34 of the Spyderco. The short blade of the mouse means that it does a fair bit more work on the shorter edge and so will dull quicker when worked hard and of course the AUS 6 on the Bwana is AUS 6, fair but no where near spectacular.

Ease of Clean-Up. The open back of the Bwana and the through holes allows for much easier and complete clean up. This is an important feature in a hunting folder. It's a bit tough to get under the liner lock of the C48 and the Pro-Lite has holes in the steel liner that lighten it but also trap gunk. The Mouse is relatively slick inside and easy to clean.

I need to use a little brush on the two full size Wegners to clean them up. here the CRKT has the best design.

Preliminary Conclusions:

The Blade Tech Pro-Hunter Lite is a very solid knife with a great value. As a hunting blade I'd give it a completely subjective 8/10 where the C48 gets a 9 and the Bwana a 7. Give the Bwana Aus 8 and I give it an 8. Put a thinner clip and taper/thin the handles more on the Pro-Lite and it gets a 8.5.

As for the Mouse-Lite: Obviously It isn't in the same league as the bigger knives. however for what it is I am giving it a 9 and will order another one for my wife. It's a fun and useful little knife that has a charisma that is more than the sum of it's parts. It might be a better slicer if thinned out a bit but as is it reminds me of a bull dog. Short-tough-smushed in and holding more dog than it's size warrants.

Someday I might have the cash flo to buy the new Spyderco Trakker or the BladeTech Pro Hunter extreme...until then I'll use the Lite and store the C48 as a back up.
 
North,
Nice review, it is especially meaningful when someone with your field experience reviews a knife. What kind of edges do you put on your knives? How do you sharpen your knives in the field?

Having processed the number of animals you have, do you think the corrosion resistance and wear resistance of stainless steel sis a major attribute? Have you used carbon steel blades?

It would be no problem for me to post your pictures, just email them to me at the address in my profile. (I am not posting the email because someone told me that it gets more spam sent to you, which I believe is true).
 
I have used all kinds of knives and am not really a steel snob. I have had good luck with Carbon Steel and have used an old Schrade Sharp Finger (1095) since 1988. The steel has worked well though I don't think the upsweep is ideal. Very easy to puncture the guts. I have a Cold Steel Master Hunter which has worked rather well, though I like the shape of the Pendelton hunter much better.

I have become far more of a design junkie than worrying about the steel. Dropped point with a good combination of belly and a usable point is the way to go.

The Inuit Ekders who can process 2-3 caribou to my one use inexpensive butcher knives and a sharpening steel. About two-three times every caribou they take a few paces with the steel and away they go.

With a really good knife like the ATS34 Wegner I steel every few caribou saving about 45 seconds an animal. I like to use a steel in the field. If you are cutting the animal with any kind of skill a touch upo is all you should need.

I love good gear but skill is much more important.

I have learned a great deal the last two years as here in the NWT it is warm enough to actually take your time and watch what you are doing. Many of my caribou in Nunavut were at -35-40 and it was a race to keep my hands from freezing.
 
North61 said:
About two-three times every caribou they take a few paces with the steel and away they go.

There are some reports of edge retention around from some custom makers, who report really high numbers, 30-40 animals inbetween sharpening. It isn't always clear though what is being done and just how blunt the blade is allowed to get.

But even in the most extreme case, lets assume same work, from one perspective all you are saving is the steeling time, which for people that do it a lot, is just seconds. It would be hard pressed to argue that this is a huge disadvantage.

I have howed high end fillet knives to local fisherman, they were all impressed with the edge holding, but would not pay the price so that they didn't have to steel during filleting.

Nice details in the writeup.

-Cliff
 
Cliff: A real expert stresses his equipment far less than a duffer. I am improving but haven't really left the duffer neighberhood. A good elder who grew up on the land can undress a caribou or seal as if it had a zipper. It's fantastic to watch.

Southern lads who take up dog teaming and feed seals to their dogs also get this good. Daily repetition of a task is the way to learn a motor skill. Most of us hunters don't have the chance for this kind of practice. We therefore look for a technical advantage which may or may not be real.

None of the lads I know who are really good would ever spend more than 50.00 for a knife. Old Hickory butcher knife and a steel and when the blade is good and worn down buy another.

They do appreciate the blade shape and ergos of the Spyderco Wegner but talk the differences between 52100, ATS 34/ Aus 6/ 440C/ D2 to them and their eyes cloud over.

I remain a techno gear guy despite the attempts of my betters to get my feet on the ground.
 
North61,
Great commentary from someone who has some real experience. I envy that. I enjoyed your email, and will reply to the substanative portion tonight of tommorow.

Here are North's pics, I am sure he will fill in the details
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The big green pic is real big, but I am not posting from home, and I don't have the gimp or other image editor on this computer.

I will resize and post it, probably tommorow.
 
O.K. First of all thanks:

The picture of the four knives gives you a look of the profiles of the knives. The ProHunter-Lite is a bit blunter than the C48 but the picture of the edges show the much greater distal taper of the PH-L. This evens up the equation for point work.

The picture of caribou shows a fella I went with this year at work. This was his first time out and he did very well. We were using the C48 Wegner Spyderco, the CRKT Bwana and a little Spyderco pro-grip. Interestingly whenever one of us laid down the C48 the other one would pick it up and start using it. The big blue tarp is the recepient of the peices of meat laid out so they don't freeze together. We did 6 caribou that day and the C48 did most of the work with no resharpening needed.

The last picture shows my well fed frame and no I am not taking a poo. I got a bit chilled gold panning (The Le'Trap square gold pan is off my knee in the back) and I am warming up. It was rough going getting down and back up the valley and the Pro-Lite was used to cut some branches to widen the trail... ( I need a wider trail than I use to)

Thanks again KTester and I have very little more to add. Hope the dead caribou don't offend anyone...if it helps they are now mostly eaten by our family of four..just a few backstraps and some jerky left.
 
In the US try Bladeart.com (not on their site but they would likely order it) or directly from Bladetech (but they charge retail)

I got it special ordered at slightly under retail from a company in Regina, Saskatchewan called Knife Zone (www.knifezone.ca) they have great customer services but not always the cheapest prices in town. This wasn't a stocked item but they had it for me in less than a week. I like to support them when they come close price wise as they really have been outstanding to deal with.

Call me crazy but I really like an orange handled knife. Much harder to misplace in the snow.
 
North61 said:
None of the lads I know who are really good would ever spend more than 50.00 for a knife.

In general hobbiest guys tend to have higher end equipment. You look at tradesmen carpenters and their tools and then the guy who just does it as a past time. Working joes simply don't have the money, and the performance/price ratio is horrible for the high end tools.

-Cliff
 
Got some time in with both these knives now and these are my conclusions:

1) The Mouse-Lite has continued to grow on me. I thought I had lost it for a day and was quite upset about it. I carry it on my key chain and it's a very sturdy design with a lot of possibilities from cracking open a box to making fuzz sticks and processing fish or game. In a blade this small I don't think the 440C and heavy FRN scales are a handicap. Very nice ergos and charisma

Outstanding

2) The Pro Hunter-Lite is good but the ergonomics are slightly compromised by the clunky clip and handle width. A good solid performer but ergos do not match the Spyderco version or I suspect the non-lite Blade-Tech version. Of course it is also less than half the cost.

Good-Very Good.

I will someday order another mouse-lite or two but I will save my beans for either an upscale Blade Tech Pro Hunter or Spyderco Ocelot if I decide to engage my Wegner addiction.
 
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