BladeForums charity drive?

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I'd like to throw an idea on the table.
How about a bladeforums charity drive. We go through our knife drawers and donate items to be auctioned for charity.
Not a big charity where our donation will be swallowed into a big bank account where only a few cents on the dollar ever goes to it's purpose. A tiny charity,a womens shelter, a homeless shelter, a soup kitchen or a clinic. Something where the donation is WOW we realy needed that. We're pretty diverse in membership. Finding a needy charity shouldn't be too difficult.
I sure like the idea of looking through a knife page of a lot of different items to bid on. Maybe public TV style where the value is posted and bid on.
I have items to donate. We have a tremendous amount of talent.
There is a lot to donate other than knives. If there are enough talented people willing to donate their time and skills this would be a fun and teriffic way to get a lot more pleasure out of our hobby.
Let's talk it over. You think it can happen?
 
I am currently on the boards of several non-profits in my community and I can attest to the fact that this year has been especially difficult due to the poor economy. I think that this would be an excellent idea as long as the beneficiary group/organization is one that the majority of donors could come to a consensus on. I would suggest something that benefits children. This is partially due to that being my field of expertise but also because they can benefit from the help in so many ways. Thanks for the idea. :)
 
Tom, you've got a good heart, and so do many of the members here. It seems to me that our own memebers here have needed help from time to time. Just for consideration, maybe an ongoing Community Fund where we could help our own members when the need arises.
 
St. Paul Lutheran School (I'm the board chairman) is going to run $25,000 or so in the red for this school year. We could use some money. The 3ed Party well is just dry right now. 3ed Party funding is in the toilet, enrollment and continuation are down. And our Prinipal is retiring at the end of the school year forcing us to hire a new one probably at a higher wage.

But, these days, there's a charity in trouble under every rock.
 
what about the poor ANIMALS? i don't want to sound like a devil worshipping bastard but forget about the PEOPLE and think about the ANIMALS! yes i know that helping the homeless, disabled etc is very important but in turn i think people should feel more obligated to help the other species on this planet. Mainly because humans are the reason why these animals are in trouble in the first place, over fishing, poaching, forests being cut down, i mean how would it feel having to take your grand children to a museum to see an elephant because they are extinct?
 
After the "Kysa" fundraiser we had a while ago, not to mention the Red Cross's mismanagement of Sept 11 donations, I'm leery of doing any "community fundraisers" that don't go straight to needy folks. If you want to donate, give to AKTI - they certainly need the cash. Or help a newbie. Or, best yet, vote next Tuesday for candidates who won't take away our freedoms.

Just my two cents.

Kevin
 
That's the most schithead post i've ever seen in the forums.
I'll have to remember to tell all them hungry homeless folks we all have to go vote to protect their rights.
 
What's wrong with giving directly to the people or organizations who directly need it? I don't get it. Give to Habitat for Humanity. Give to AKTI. Give to your local community. Help someone do the right thing. Take an active part in society.

However, I don't want to have a "BladeForums.com Fund Raiser" going to some huge organization, and at the same time, who exactly *should* we contribute to? My solution is this - give back to your own community. Give where it will do good in your own area. I'm just not organizing a fund raiser or collecting cash when each and every one of us can find something that we can personally do to improve someone else's life.

If that makes me a shithead, so be it. I don't want to see the forumites burned again. I'm disgusted with large so-called charities that spend more on administration than helping victims. So do what you will, Tom. I'd rather help someone and have a visible impact than line a suit's pockets. Guess I'm a shithead though. :rolleyes:

And yes, voting is important. The people we elect on Tuesday will be determining the laws of our country for the next 4 years... and this election is going to be very important for gun & knife rights. Remember the 1994 Brady bill? The people we elect on Tuesday will determine if that bill sunsets like it should in 2004, or comes back even worse than before. You think knife laws are bad now, wait until someone starts talking about registration for all knives... and remember, they called for it after 9.11.01.

Do something. Do anything. You never know if that can of food keeps someone from going hungry, or donation to the woman's shelter saves a life.

Kevin
 
I want the charitable contributions I do make to go as directly as possible to the folks who need the help. Sometimes this means that I don't get a tax deduction. I'm not involved in any particular church, community organazition or the pursuit of public office so there's no political advantage to be gained by me contributing to a particular organization. I help out when I can, and I don't see any advantage to putting what money I can contribute to an organization that's going to burn a significant percantage on PR and administrative costs.

Perhaps I just don't get it and these large charities are the only ones with the juice to fix the bigger problems in the world. Even if that's true, nearly everyone knows some family, either directly or through a friend of a friend who really needs (and deserves) a little help. Or as Golly mentioned, an organization that you are directly involved with.

While it would look good to have a nice big check that said From: Bladeforums.com, To: The Red Cross on it, wouldn't the extra efforts and money involved to achieve that do more good if applied directly to the problems you can see in your own community. Heck, if you just want to donate money to a cause and have a bunch of old junk to get rid of, open an E-Bay account and send the proceeds to the charity of your choice.

Just my opinion.

jmx
 
I make regular contributions to my local Red Cross disaster fund, which helps families who have lost their homes & belongings to fire, floods, or some other catastrophe. The money stays local, and 100% of it goes into the fund. All Red Cross Chapters in the U.S. have these local funds, so if anyone wants a great charity, there it is.

I also give to the local Salvation Army's food bank, and this time of year all food banks need help. Consider donating to one in your area.

I do not give money to national charities simply because very little, if any, makes it back to the local level. The National Red Cross does give each local chapter some money that is collected nationally, but very little. Making a donation to the local Chapter, and being explicit on where you want the money to go, works very well, and the money is not mismanaged.

I agree with Spark on this issue; we need to donate locally, and not nationally, so the BFC charity drive is a waste of time.

I guess that makes me a &#115hithead as well. :rolleyes:
 
I think some of us are painting "national" charities with a pretty broad brush. Some are quite good.

When you give money to a charity, some of it probably goes to raise more money. This is a valid use of your money. If you give $100 to a charity to, for example, feed homeless people, that's nice. Maybe you just bought 50 meals. Nice. But what if they took $90 of your dollars and bought 45 meals and then used the other $10 of your money to mail out 30 letters that, on average, will bring in $10 each? That means they'll get $300 more or 150 more meals. Now, your $100 bought 195 meals. Taking $10 of your contribution and using it to raise more contributions was a very wise and very good use of your money.

When you give money to a charity, some of it goes to "overhead." Charities have electric bills and phone bills to be paid. Charities have offices that need furniture and equipment. And charities employ professional people. Some of those people and some of that equipment may be directly involved in the mission of the charity. For example, the cook who makes the meals at the aforementioned example charity. Part of the $2 per meal is his salary. That charity probably bought a commercial oven, walk-in refrigerators, and a commercial dish washer. The costs of that equipment is amortized over their expected life and rolled into that $2 too. So, the $2 per meal may break down as 50 cents for salaries and benefits for employees, ten cents for amortized cost of durable equipment, ten cents for operations (electricity, water, etc.), twenty cents for materials (napkins, paper cups, etc.), and $1.10 for the food. We can't deliver the $1.10 worth of food without incuring the 90 cents worth of overhead. So, those 90 cents are part of the mission cost.

Some of the personel and equipment are used in the fund-raising operation. Plus, fund raising may require telephoning, printing, mailing, etc. So, those costs are all part of that $10 we skimmed off of your $100 donation.

But there's always some administrative costs and overheads left. Our hypothetical soup kitchen, for example, might have an accountant who sees to it that the bills are all paid and the payroll is made and that all the books are all in order. Once a year, they hire an outside accountant who comes in and reviews those books. These costs must also be covered by a small fraction of the donations.

The key word here is SMALL. The challenge for a charity administrator who really does care about the mission of his charity is to see how small he can keep the adminsitrative overhead and how affective he can make the fund-raising operation. If your fundraising operation is affective and your overhead is low, then you'll have lots of money for your mission.

That's my problem right now. Our fund raising has not been as very affective this year and our overhead is about to go up.

Unfortunately, many charities -- national AND local -- don't do a good job of this.

if you want to donate to a charity, and I really think you should, then you need to do your homework and find a charity with a mission that appeals to you that is well run.

And if you can't find one, sent your money to St. Paul School, please...

The problems with a bf.c fund raiser are:

1) bf.c is not a registered charity. So, donations to our fund-raiser would not be tax-deductible. It's not hard to become a registered charity, but I doubt that Spark wants to hassle with it. Personally, I don't like to see people give money to charities without deducting it. Why? Because depending on your tax situation, for most people deducting is like getting about 30% of your money back at the end of the year. This means that you can give 30% more. The IRS is essentially giving a matching contribution. It's free money and I don't like leaving it on the table. The Federal Goverment is one of the least efficient charities out there. It's a good thing to take money from the Fed and give it to private charities that can use it more efficiently. Fortunately, we finally have a President that understands this.

2) Deciding which cause to support. That's gonna be a huge mess that I certainly don't want to get involved with.


So, while I applaud the idea, I don't think it's practical. I think everyone should find a charity, local or national, but preferably St. Paul Lutheran School of Sherwood, Oregon, and send your contributions.
 
There were certainly broad strokes being painted in my post, and of course not all large scale charities are mis-managed. I understand the principles of economy of scale and it's benefits. I also understand marketing to some degree (part of what I do) and realize that is where many charities fall down. Many (most) of the people involved in charity work really do care and are trying to do some good. The problem is that they're mostly not great managers or marketing people (the private sector seems to keep most of those folks busy by paying better), they're people driven by emotion.

I'm not saying that there are not talented people involved in charity work, but in my opinion, most (not all) of of the better executives are probably employed at the larger charities as those are the charities that can afford better management and marketing departments (even with some altruism, most top execs still want to be paid well). An arguement could certainly be made that those better execs at the bigger organizations quite possibly take advantage of the economy of scale and when you consider the tax implications that you mention, actually put more money toward the cause than a direct contribution when looked at on a longer time line.

The purpose of my post was to convey that I prefer to give a few sacks of groceries and some cash to a family in my extended circle who really has fallen on hard times and deserves it than send that check off to somewhere where I'll never know if it helped someone or not. To help address hwat I percieve as an immediate need. I'm no philanthropist and can't do a lot, but I like to help where I can.

On the occasions when i have been able to help someone out, it is never spoken about afterwords. I grew up poor and hungry and I know how hard it is to ask for help. I believe people deserve to be able to keep their dignity, even when life hasn't gone as planned and I'm not looking for their gratitude. I'm just glad if I can help a bit here and there.

I definitely also give something to larger charities as I'm sure it helps someone somewhere and it is good to be able to take the deduction.

This is not a flame, just a clarification as it appears I didn't state my opinion clearly in my original post.

jmx
 
A philanthropist (and I guess I am one) is just someone who is serious about giving money to charities. It doesn't matter of you give 120 Million Dollars a year or just 120 a year (that's ten dollars per month, 33 cents per day, less than the cost of a cup of coffee... now I'm starting sound like a washed out TV actress...). What matters is that you approach it seriously and carefully. Dropping your change in the Salvation Army Kettle on the way out of the mall after your Christmas shopping spree isn't really philanthropy... it's more like keeping the coins from scrathing up your pocket knife.

If $120/year is what you've got, then make it count. Find a charity or two that are important to you and that you know will put the money to good use. Some people feel that big issues that require national efforts are where they want to lend their support, curing cancer, for example. These people are comfortable sending money knowing that the fruits of it may not come in their lifetime. Other people feel burdoned by immediate, local needs, homelessness, for example. They may be happier giving money today if they know that tonight a homeless person in their community will be fed a hot meal. The world needs both.

Whatever your cause, dig into it. Find out where the needs are and how best what you have to offer can be used.

If you're married, please involve your spouse in this. I've seen it time and time-again. Shared charity will bring a couple together.

If you have children, please, please involve them in this too. Teach them to importance of being concerned about the world around them and of doing something, even if it's a small thing, about it.

And finally, don't forget that money isn't the only thing you have to give.
 
Wonderful idea, I would like to suggest the following charity as a possible cosideration, SHRINERS HOSPITAL FOR CRIPPLED CHILDREN. They have 17 hospitals spread across the U.S., providing for free, all medical treatment needed to treat children up to the age of 21, who are physically disabled - some of the disabilities include - spina bifida, scoliosis, club feet, short limbs, missing limbs etc. They also have 2 or 3 hospitals that care for children who are burn victims. The have helped thousands of children and gave to them a precious gift, a better life.

I know this personally for I was born crippled and Shriners cared for me starting at age 14 months and ending on my 22 b-day. 3 expensive reconstructive surgries, countless visits, xrays, exams, tests, braces, special shoe all these things were provided to me at NO COST to my parents.

IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE SHRINERS, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO WALK TODAY. So PLEASE take them into consideration, when deciding which charity to donate to.
 
The last five Months have been an experience I have never been through. It it were not for BFC and those that are truly members of this "community", I would be in a world of sh*t.

I also know that I am not alone and there are several folks here that could use help, and will be others who find themselves in some difficulty.

I am not talking thousands, sometimes $50.00 makes the difference between surving a Month or not.

We all give to the organized charities, but as a "community" we really should have some money on hand when a BFC member finds themself in a bad temporary position. yup, I read all the Kysa threads and would hope that could/would not repeat.

I owe BFC alot and would love a chance to pay back your kindness and compassion. A "BFC FUND" is a great idea.

So, take a peek here, it is a start
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1878112#post1878112
 
Lady Colt, you are absolutely right. Everyone needs to visit one of these, your viewpoint on life will change. mike
 
The Shriners are a pretty wild organization. The way I remember it from my days as a DeMolay (their young men's group) in my teenage years, Shriners are the top level of the Masonic organization. The whole group of Masonic organizations is geared toward service, family values and fund raising. There's a lot of them to; The Order of The Eastern Star (women), DeMolay (young men), Rainbow Girls (young girls) and the Job's Daughters (young women) and of course the Masons themselves. This gives the Masonic organization the power to do tremendous things and the Shriner's hospital group is probably one of the tops in the world as far as charity organizations go. They get all my respect. I've thought of petitioning the local lodge to become a member, but I'm not sure my life would allow enough time these days to be a good member.

I guess that while we might have slightly different views on how to give, most folks here seem to understand that if you've had any luck and have a little extra (which we all have to some degree or we wouldn't be buying knives!), you have to give something back.

I think that speaks highly of the people who gather here.

jmx
 
m l williams you are 100% acurate about it changing ones life after a visit to a shriners hospital. I have seen many "horrorable" physical conditions throughout the years I was treated. I WAS BLESSEDthat I had a condition that was easily corrected, I'm so lucky not to have any of those "horrorable" ones I've seen. The most gut wrenching, heartbreaking were the children with spina bifida and scoliosis I would cry every time I meet a child suffering from these diseases. I can only imagine what the pain both mental and physical was, some having over a hundred surgeries, having to were braces around their bodies, often a leg shorter than the other the treatment for short limbs amounts to midevile torture. At opposite ends a circular device is attached by screws achored in the bone, there are several wires that run from one circle to the other which are tighted up then released. this treatment lasting for months and will be done several times as they grow.

I WAS THE QUEEN FOR THE EAST-WEST SHRINE GAME in Baker City Oregon, 1996?forgot, to be selected for this honor it is required that you are or were a shriner patient, then you must write an essay on why you want to be the queen and why you should be chosen. they judge your essay and use it to narrow it down to semi, then if your still a "contestant" you will go to a meeting to speak to all the shriners who as you lots of questions. They chose the queen over the next week or so, I was shocked to have been selected. I participated in all the parades and rodeos(rode in a 1967 chey corvair covertiable) in Eastern Oregon over the summer, the last appearance was in the fall when the game was played. We (all football players)were taken on a field trip to Portland Oregon to visit the children in the hospital, while there we had a lecture on spina bifida, scoliosis treaments, and another lecture on artficial prostesis(sp?)how there are made with various technics how they work after attachment how they are benifitcial to the patient. After our visit, the shriners took us to the Multnoma(sp?) Greyhound Park (Dog Races) We had a blast one old fart he was my favorite of all them won close to a thousand dollars on a trifecta(sp?)I will always remember this summer.

I WILL NEVER FORGET WHAT THEY DID FOR ME , noone should forget what they've done and continuing to do for all children who are just like me.
 
aren't the masons a secret society group? weren't they in an episode of The Simpsons? :P
 
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