Blades

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Man has been making blades as his first tools since the beginning of time and along with fire and the wheel is to a great extent responsible for our existence.

The blade is arguably the most important component of a knife. You can to some degree use a knife without a handle, however without a Blade, let’s just say it’s not much of a knife.

The blade pretty much defines the knife as to it’s function and how a blade’s designed, what materials are utilized and how it’s executed will determine the degree of function. Many aspects such as steel type/make-up, shape, length, width, thickness, weight, taper, grinds, tempering/hardening, edge geometry go into the making of a fine blade.

It’s interesting that in some ways the blade has evolved tremendously over the tens of thousands of years that it’s existed yet in many ways it really hasn’t changed that much at all.

We see thousands of custom/handmade blades every year here on Blade Forums in all types, styles, sizes, shapes and materials and though I’ve seen many threads on knife handles and handle materials I’m not sure I have seen many specifically on and saluting the BLADE.

So please give us your thoughts. Some points for discussion:

• Your preference and opinions on blade steels among stainless, carbon, pattern welded and laminates?

• Your preference and opinions on stock-removal and forged blades? And who are some of your favorite makers for both these methods?

• Thoughts on tempering/hardening?

• What’s your preferred blade length for various types (hunter, bowie)?

And most importantly, post up photos of your favorite BLADES.

And as always, thank you in advance for your views and participation.

Bill Moran’s ST-24 blade design has always been one of my favorites:
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Larry Fuegen’s blade carvings and treatments exemplify “Functional Art”:
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Bruce Bump’s combination of deep and precise blade grinds and beautiful Damascus patterns create some stunting blades:
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Thad Buchanan is grinding outstanding double edge fighters in the Loveless tradition:
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Burt Foster shows why laminate blades are super hot:
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And there’s beautiful engraved blades as demonstrated here by Ron Best and Jere Davidson:
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The possibilities seem endless for Damascus patterns as shown here in what I call Don Hanson’s “scary things” pattern:
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And how can you have a blade thread without depicting a expertly executed hamon as demonstrated by Karl Andersen's CKCA 2010 Club knife:
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There are the “Art Blades” as demonstrated by Buster Warenski’s monumental King Tut gold dagger blade:
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And then on the opposite end of the spectrum, the no-frills blades that do just what knives have always been meant to do “CUT”. A great example of that here with Jerry Fisk’s 2010 cutter blade. Though you can't see it here, it has a very aggressive "chisel ground" clip:
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One thing I have found with experience lately is that flat grinds cut better then hollow grinds. The edge seems thinner and just cuts better. This is the case on all folders I have been using.
 
Wow Kevin, that's a small topic, huh?:D

I can see this one growing to gargantuan size, given the myriad of different tastes, craftsmen, technology etc

Fabulous examples thus far - I will have to ponder the various questions for awhile, the perhaps chime back in!

Bill
 
Funny timing; my good friend, Russ, just made this sign for my birthday;

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I've used large knives, almost exclusively, to make the trail which this sign was made to signify. Like these ones;

Tad Lynch, forged W2;
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Matt Lamey, forged 1095;
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Jason Knight, forged W2;
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Chris Moss, forged 1095;
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Shosui Takeda, forge welded laminate of white steel core and wrought iron sides;
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Tai Goo, forged 1084;
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Here is the first knife I made, stock removed 1084;

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All these knives are carbon steel. I don't have a particular preference over stainless steels, but the fact is that a knife maker has a much greater canvas when forging and a knife can be really thick and quite wide, which is good design for knives like the ones that I generally use for bush work. Without exception, each of these knives are ground flat and finished with a convexed edge bevel. The thickness of each edge varies between each knife, but the general idea here is strength.

Now, with all that being said, take a look at this blade I designed;

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6mm RWL34. A high end stainless steel.

One aspect of a carbon blade is rust, and I've taken the liberty to lift this from Burt Foster's website, (hope that's ok!);

Making knives from carbon steel means I am well aware of the reality of things like rust. Without care, a carbon steel knife will rust and eventually rust away to nothing. Even with constant care, ancient Japanese swords must still be re-polished every 100 years or less to remove the inevitable oxidation that occurs, even under ideal conditions. So even under the best circumstances, rust takes hold, and slowly over time, rust will consume all that I have spent my life making. Since I understand the temporary nature of my work, I appreciate the words of Jesus, encouraging us to give more attention to our eternity than to our today
 
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To Jon's point on blade grinds, here's part of a little tutorial by Don Cowles that helped me to learn the basic styles and terminology when I initially started becoming interested in custom knives. Thought it may be beneficial to post here for any viewers who are new to custom knives.
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Wow Kevin, that's a small topic, huh?:D

I can see this one growing to gargantuan size, given the myriad of different tastes, craftsmen, technology etc
Fabulous examples thus far - I will have to ponder the various questions for awhile, the perhaps chime back in!Bill

Bill funny as I had considered a couple of your knives for my opening post that IMO are great examples of "exceptional blades" (you probably know which I'm speaking of), but figured you may like to post them up.
 
Nice holiday thread Kevin


I like all types of blades but I lean toward large blades over 9 inches or small blades under 4

Love carbon and damascus blades but hate stainless for anything other that fittings and boat applications , laminates like Burt although they are a composite of stainless are really getting my attention and I just had a conversation with Burt on how impressed I was with a blade of his I have been useing

As for blade designs I love Bowies and Persians and have been a fan of Japanese style blades for ever.

A new found love is for Khukuri styled blades for woods knives and will be carrying Burts Hybred Kuk this week


Kevin happy holidays gone hunting after work but will get in touch before holiday's buddy have a safe one
 
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Kevin

I figured as much :D

yeah, I have a few I'll post later...

Now....Question-wise:

Favorite carbon steel: W2 - forges well, cuts very well, and of course....the hamon if you want it! I have a bunch from Don, and I've really enjoyed forging it.

Cruforge V: Came out with a splash, haven't heard much lately - I've played with it some, and it forges well, HT well, cuts well, harder to finish

O1 - a little trickier, but makes really nice blades

Favorite stainless -
CPM -154: finishes really nicely, better than S30V (finer). Cuts very well
S30V : I have quite a few RJ Martins, and with his grinds and HT it is GREAT.
Had a few less than great experiences with other s30V

Style: Lately I have enjoyed "fighters" - 6-9" blade or so, long clip/top grind.
Similarly, daggers in the same length range. I love wood (Koa esp:p), also ivory and stag.
Have a bunch of Bowies - like them bigger, say 8-12". Same handle choices

I also have folders, more of the "art knife" style than "tactical" - although I like either style- it depends more on the individual knife .

Forged vs SR : Honestly, I don't "like" one more than the other. It just seems to me like a big bowie ought to be forged, fighters can be either, same with daggers. FOlders are, of course, generally SR even if the blade steel is Damascus, which leads me to my other thoughts:

I love Damascus, all types ! The best Damascus makers will often tell you the steel pattern looks better when NOT forged all the way to shape - ie with a lot of "stock removal" ! I prefer quality always, so I think forged vs SR is not a deciding point for me, it just depends on the knife.

I also really like the SS laminates like Burt makes - really a different look

One last thought - I really like integrals of all kinds! I've made a few myself, and they are tricky...although I'm sure the wizards like Burt, Dave Lisch, Mike Rader, Karl Anderson and those guys find it easy :p
Then there's Rodrigo Sfreddo and his disciples in Brazil with the Multibar Damascus integrals - unreal!

Pics later

Bill
 
Favorite styles: bull-nose skinner, drop-point hunter, Bowies

Favorite carbon steels: L6, A2 (I've yet to try W2 or 52100, but would love to!)

Favorite stainless steels: CPM-S35VN, BG-42

All these steels (at least for me) sharpen pretty handily, hold a good edge, and are TOUGH (@58-60 Rc.).

I agree with Bill about integrals. Sfreddo, Anderson, Quesenberry all make me swoon! :p
 
So please give us your thoughts. Some points for discussion:

• Your preference and opinions on blade steels among stainless, carbon, pattern welded and laminates?

My preference would be for damascus as I’m fascinated by damascus process, its history, and how it gives the maker an additional opportunity to display his/her artistic ability. The use of damascus also adds another degree of uniqueness to a knife as a damascus blade is like a finger print, as no two will ever be the exactly same. I also like the corrosion resistance it adds as opposed to carbon steel.

Though I've tried to get on the Laminate blade bandwagon and have really liked a few, I just can't seem to get too excited about them in general.

I like both CPM-154 and ATS-34 for stainless blades. I'm really developing a soft spot for expertly ground and polished stainless blades.


• Your preference and opinions on stock-removal and forged blades? And who are some of your favorite makers for both these methods?

I was originally drawn towards forged blades and that's still where most of my passion lies, however have been studying up on stock removal knives and have added a couple to my collection and becoming quite fond of them as well.
I have too many favorite makers of both methods to single any out.


• Thoughts on tempering/hardening?

Only that blade performance is extremely important to me. No doubt, I love beautiful knives but the combination of beauty/design/execution AND performance/function is what really drive my interest.

• What’s your preferred blade length for various types (hunter, bowie)?

After having owned/collected/handled many types and sizes of bowies and fighters I really prefer around a 9" blade. And a 4"~4-1/2" blades works best (for me) for hunting/skinning/general tasks.

Thanks guys for sharing your preferences/opinions and Lorien for the photos as well.
Am surprised we haven't had more photos posted.
 
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