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moonlight

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i had my first Emerson, a nice mini commander.
But I have a problem with it. When I wave it, the liner is blocked far away on the blade like this :


It hurts my thumb and my fingernail on this damned liner when i want to unlock it.

What could i do?

thanks for your help
 
please help me.
should i gently file the liner? Or the back of the blade where the liner is stuck?:confused:
 
take a #2 pencil and rub the lead on the back of the blade where the liner contacts it the lead works like a lube and prevents sticking.

dont file on anything.
 
I just purchased my 5th Commander and a Commander trainer. The lockup on the Commander trainer was doing the same thing. After cleaning, oiling and opening/closing it a couple dozen times it's working perfect.
 
I agree, don't file anything. I imagine you just got it recently, and that it's new (not second-hand). This happens sometimes... It'll go away.

It would probably help to take RRcop's advice: disassemble, clean, lube, and work it out. It's just a matter of the parts learning to fit each other.

So for now, lock & unlock it as much as possible so your parts (thumb) and its parts learn to fit each other. :D soon you'll end up with a nice callous. :cool:

Peace.
 
my cqc8 did the same thing for a little bit. rrcop is right on the money.titanium liners can be kinda sticky at first when the knife is new and if the knife is still misbehaveing send it back to EKI and im sure they will fix it
 
Thank for your help.
I think the problem of the new knife comes from the liner. It is too strong and too wide opened. So it stick on the beveled back on the blade. I tried to disassemble, and lube it with 3 on 1 oil, open and close thousand times, with no effect.:eek:
tomorrow i will try to find somebody in a cutlery who can fix it for a less price than a return back to the factory.
 
Hard to tell from the picture but it does not look like the liner goes too far to the right of the blade tang. Are you able to take a better pic with a straight on view of the tang and liner meeting? Keep locking/unlocking before anyone other than EKI works on the liner. The 2 surfaces will polish out. It's better to start off with a new knife having a tight liner lockup than to have a loose unsafe liner fit.
 
RRcop said:
Hard to tell from the picture but it does not look like the liner goes too far to the right of the blade tang. Are you able to take a better pic with a straight on view of the tang and liner meeting? Keep locking/unlocking before anyone other than EKI works on the liner. The 2 surfaces will polish out. It's better to start off with a new knife having a tight liner lockup than to have a loose unsafe liner fit.
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you're right. thank you my friend :thumbup:
 
SIFU1A said:
take a #2 pencil and rub the lead on the back of the blade where the liner contacts it the lead works like a lube and prevents sticking.

dont file on anything.
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I'll absolutely second that. Don't file anything! If you try the pencil trick (which works wonders, by the way) and it still isn't correct, send it back to EKI and they'll make it right.

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too late ! :o I gently filled the blade where the liner sticked, the liner and the part of he blade where there is the stop pin (my bloody thumb asked me to do it ;) )
And everything's ok now.:D
But my opinion on Emerson knives is low now. I think this mini com is the first and the last Emerson I buy.:mad:
The steel is good and sharp, the wave feature is very nice, It is a strong build knife, but very bad ergo with an uneasy closure. The liner is too strong and not pliable enough with a too much thin handle. It is very difficult to access to the liner. too bad... :barf:
Compared to my spyderco spyker, the mini commander doesn't win the fight in quality and ergo.
 
on SD folders the liners are cut low in the handle to prevent accidental release.

if it doesnt lock right send it to EKI.
 
I live in France, and I'm scared to send it back to EKI and wait months to have it ; worth, that it never come back :rolleyes: .
But i don't believe my problem is normal. And I saw i'm not the only one with this default. It's scandalous that Emerson lets those knives go out of factory without testing them. It isn't reliable for the price I paid.:barf: It's my opinion, sorry.
I'm happy to have fix my knife now.
 
SIFU1A said:
on SD folders the liners are cut low in the handle to prevent accidental release.

if it doesnt lock right send it to EKI.
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I have many knives and i tested them. I never saw a accidental release on a liner lock system. It must be very rare. For me, a good folder knife must be open and close easily without problem, or it isn't a good knife.
 
for the record i havent ever seen an accidental release like that on a liner lock either, but a lot of custom smiths cut them low on SD knives, pat crawford's perfigo has about the lowest i've seen, but even with that 1 it is still easy enough to open, not a biggie imho.

just because I (or you) hasnt seen this happen doesnt mean its not possible, if the release is high i can see how it could happen.

its just another little thing ya gotta put up with on a SD knife vs a utility knife.
 
When I got my first comm, this happened to me also. I then foolishly disassembled it and monkeyed with the liner until it went all the way back to left and started slipping off instead of getting stuck. That's more dangerous.

At least if it gets stuck it won't close on yr fingers.

I then re-monkeyed with the liner and bent it back so that it locks roughly in the centre, biased to the right. If the liner fails, I want it to fail to the right, not to the left.

A thick liner or frame-lock can sit on the left, but a "thin" liner must always be biased to the right/centre, because it is more liable to slip off to the left(if it does not have enough spring energy in it) than fail to the right.

The liner must thus always have enough spring energy in it to always lock firmly to the centre/right.

I also put some teflon tape in the dimples where the stop pin sits, to change the distance between the slabs and thus reposition the liner.

After that, about one year already, and perfect lock-up, no worries or problems so far. Lockup is stable, and spinewhack whatever is no problem.

Once you get the lock-up right, the emerson lockup is as stable as any folder out there. I am satisfied with my comm, and it has become one of my "beater" knives.
 
Moonlight,

1)just disassemble and bend liner to left.

2)then put teflon tape in G-10 dimple of liner side

balance 1) and 2) until lockup to yr satisfaction

Problem solved!
 
the problem is solved since I have filed the liner and the back on the blade. No blade play and very secured liner in the right. but thank you for your help :)
 
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