Blue 165 went for $355

hi Tim,Michael and I were just talking about that one.I can't say what its worth but I sure would like to get a couple of those bidders on when I have something listed.Arnold
 
Wrong box,its a Schrade Walden Box with a Schrade knife,wrong sheath its a Du,take it out fishing and I wouldn't be able to find it....no good as a collector or user IMHO.To each his own...could have a 2OT and genuine delrin 165 OT for that sort of money. Hoo Roo
 
I asked about it over in the BRL forum, specifically to refute or reaffirm my own opinion of it's value by Bernard. According to his "theory of the third highest bidder", I was pretty well spot on with my last bid of $141.01. That was for the knife, not the seller's story or the wrong sheath or the box.

It is indeed fugly. But it is an uncommon sample. Only a few were made circa 1992. But it bears no Baron or Aurum gold filled etch, or exotic handle material or fancy shielding or Laseart etching and is not a commemorative of anything. It's sole distinctive feature is the use of the same Delrin as the FFA knives. Thus I figured it was worth more than a similar boxless and sheathless 165, but not by much. Congrats to the new owner though. Maybe we will see the knife again.

Michael
 
So Im assuming then it isnt a one of one or a proto or a photo sample but still rare (or less common) as you put it.
I was going to bid but kept having a Love Hate relationship with it, I couldnt decide if it looked like a cheap plastic toy from Matel or an extremely rare exotic peice. It left me in a conundrum, so in the end i didnt bid.

Heres another weird one, did Schrade Walden really make a 153? Was it tang stamped? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260175820782&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=016
Tim
 
Timstools said:
...did Schrade Walden really make a 153? Was it tang stamped? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260175820782&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=016
Tim
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I don't think so. At least I've never seen one. But that really only means I've never seen one.

http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/Catalogs/images/1973-CATS.pdf

Schrade Walden became Schrade Cutlery in early 1973. The earliest 1973 catalogs (likely put together in fall of 1972) were marked Schrade Walden and did not list the 153UH as an offering. When the revised catalog was issued, the 153UH was listed (as was the 152OT Sharp Finger and Benchmade series) and several previous patterns were not.

A few might well have been made and stamped Walden. I am still yet to actually see one. That buyer will be disappointed if his is not.

Michael
 
I couldnt decide if it looked like a cheap plastic toy from Matel or an extremely rare exotic peice
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Actually sometimes if Im thinking like that I will bid even higher.

Im thinking same as you Michael, Ive looked at lots of the 153s and although the 165s certainly were stamped Walden and it is evident because they occasionally appear on ebay i also have NEVER seen a 153 stamped Walden. I dont think that one is stamped Walden (this can almost be seen in photo).

There is a seller on ebay at the moment selling all her knives as Waldens, I think it may be a geniune error or mistake on her part as she is trying to indicated they are not recent copies. If she doesnt change her listings I think she is in for a lot of bad feedback. (i.e. LB7s are not Waldens)

Regards Tim
 
Re153UH Question and that particular "Schrade Walden".I have an early 153UH Schrade with box and bling. The wording 'Golden Spike' is printed on centre of my box not to the right as shown in that Ebay picture.My loss replacement policy has the old scrolls and is in pink not blue as in the Ebay picture and that picture definately states Walden unlike mine which states Schrade Cutlery.Although I cant see how that tang stamp can accomodate the word Walden in the same two lines as mine unless they left something off at that stage I'm inclined to think it may be genuine Walden. Wish we could see the Tang stamping and the number on that blue Loss Certificate clearly!I havnt personally seen a Walden before either.Hoo Roo


My 153UH is numbered 92516 and is MIB. Would be good to know the number on that Ebay knife as seller stated it is numbered.
To put that number into perspective my Limited Edition Gold Rush 153UH made in 1980 is numbered 403419.
 
One of you professional diplomats should ask the seller for clear pictures of the components and marks. In very gentlemanly fashion!

Michael
 
Larry303 said:
Re153UH Question and that particular "Schrade Walden".I have an early 153UH Schrade with box and bling. The wording 'Golden Spike' is printed on centre of my box not to the right as shown in that Ebay picture.My loss replacement policy has the old scrolls and is in pink not blue as in the Ebay picture and that picture definately states Walden unlike mine which states Schrade Cutlery.Although I cant see how that tang stamp can accomodate the word Walden in the same two lines as mine unless they left something off at that stage I'm inclined to think it may be genuine Walden. Wish we could see the Tang stamping and the number on that blue Loss Certificate clearly!I havnt personally seen a Walden before either.Hoo Roo


My 153UH is numbered 92516 and is MIB. Would be good to know the number on that Ebay knife as seller stated it is numbered.
To put that number into perspective my Limited Edition Gold Rush 153UH made in 1980 is numbered 403419.
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I think you are right on with your assessment there Larry.

I've bought 3 knives from this seller. He's honest and not super Schrade knowledgeable. He also comes up with a few very nice Schrades from time to time.

Two were mint NY stamped Brown Box Old Timers, none were Walden, and Walden was not mentioned in the listings.
 
There is another 165OT SFO variant by the same seller. Again, he pairs it with a late production DU sheath and proclaims it to be a one of a kind prototype for Ducks Unlimited. It certainly is not. It is a leftover from an earlier sfo production for Sears. Whether it is a reject, or just old stock I can't say. It is obviously unfinished as the etch is missing. As is the custom designed sheath. I have several of these both with and without the sheath. The rear butt added is interesting, but evidently was unpopular or Schrade would have added it to their own regular 165OT production.



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=405082&highlight=Craftsman+165

It is one thing to not know and say so when peddling knives. Or to speculate and say so. It is quite another to make up facts when you don't know.

No, don't contact the seller and try to teach him.

In the first place, if he was interested at all in accuracy, he would have taken the time to research it here or elsewhere.

In the second place, he will not want to hear what you have to say and will likely take offense.

Thirdly, my reason for bringing this to your attention is not to allow you to confront the seller or to affect the outcome of the auction, but to educate the few here who might have interest in this pattern. If you bid it (I will not) or any other knife from this or other sellers claiming to be "prototypes", bid the knife, not the story. Do not quote me or link this post to him.

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Michael
 
My post and the knives I had purchased was referring to were in reference to the seller of this knife:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260175820782&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=016

The other seller seems to come up with a different prototype/leftover (depending on your marketing technique) almost every week, as well as indicating in many listings that he obtained a lot of knives when Schrade's leftover stock was sold out.

After 8200+ sales, he didn't just fall off of the turnip wagon.

The $355.00 bid indicated his marketing technique worked in this case, and I agree with you Michael.

That being said, I am still very curious if the 153UH in the other reference was a Schrade Walden or not. I saw a similar 171UH listed, and it did have a 2 line Schrade Walden stamp. That 153UH, if I had to guess though, does not look like it says Walden in that stamp, but the pic is not high enough quality to enlarge.
 
At some point someone linked this seller to Parker.He certainly knows how to hype a knife.I started to ask last night if I had missed something as far as the Schrade history.Was the company Schrade-Walden,then Schrade,and lastly Schrade Proto as this seller sells everything as a proto.I hope we all don't get popped for discussing this.Arnold
 
Dont buy the Story
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Well put, I like that.

Here is an ended listing from same seller of the blue 165 also claimed to be a Prototype. It clearly has the production number 148 stamped on the brass crossguard.
He aso claims it is a D Holder (read question and answers at bottom of the listing). It he wasnt so serious it would be funny and the poor unsuspecting buyer. It makes me angry.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Schrade-Factory...ryZ88910QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Compair
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290163572166&sspagename=ADME:X:RTQ:AU:11
 
His "D'Holder" is a genuine 70's Loveless nothing to do with D'Holder.It not only has the Loveless etch but also the distinctive Loveless crossguard with number unlike the PH1 crossguard which is much broader and came later.It must have been displayed on the Schrade wall as it still has a piece of velcrose....he says so!...Tim,you are far too cynical for a young Aussie buck.
There's another gross misdescription on a Benchmark 49'er which I cant mention.....Hoo Roo
 
Yes Ill admit I dont know much about those Loveless Schrades. I realise the two links above are two different knives but not different enough for the huge price difference.

Thanks for the info on the 153 I thought Schrade commenced production of those well after Schrade Walden closed but really wasnt sure.
Thanks Tim
 
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