Blunt Gunting

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osvaldo

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Hello,

two weeks ago I posted here asking for news about the CRIMPT. When I posted it I was believed that the CRIMPT will have a sharpened blade. Bram Frank posted too and solved this confussion: he explained us that the CRIMPT will have the Gunting life handle with the Drone blade.
Bram explained too that the CRIMPT will be only avaliable for the LEO's and relationed fields. I think that this is due to the CRIMPT has been designed only as a weapon (and for this has no sense for a non LEO people) while the Gunting has been designed as a normal folder... For this, in the next sentences I will tell ever "Blunt Gunting" and not "sharp CRIMPT" due to a Gunting without point will be ... well, a folder without point...

I have been thinking and I have a pair of comments I would like to share with you in order to know your opinions.

In spain we have a very restrictive laws about carry a folder. The blunt blades a "more legal" than a pointed ones. I think that a Blunt Gunting will be ideal here. I mean, a Blunt Gunting will allow to advance one step more (in the "scalation of force stairs") than the Drone, but one step less than the standard Gunting (lethal thrust techniques).
Bram told me in an old email that the Gunting maybe "is the best less than lethal force weapon never designed", and I, personally, agree with this sentence. But I think that, to be strictly "less than lethal weapon" do not need the point that allows the lethal thrust techniques.
Despite this, a "less than lethal weapon" must allow you to aply the "less than lethal tecniques of Biomechanical Cutting", and for this you need a SHARP edge, but do not need a pointed blade...

A Blunt Gunting would have the best of two world, the best of Drone and the best of Gunting... Blunt Gunting would summarize the concept of "less than lethal force"... will be, the PERFECT less than lethal weapon.

What do you think about this?

I really appreciate you comments and opinions about this.

Kind Regards from Spain

OSvaldo
 
Its an interesting thought. I don't know just quite what I think of it. I would imagine if it has a sharp edge authorities who do not like knives will not like it either. It can still be very lethal without a point. If they made a blunt tipped one I would get it, but I do not think there is a roll for it really since anywhere a Gunting is illegal this "Blue Gunting" will probably be illegal too. BTW, the correct acronym for the blunt LEO-only tool is CRMIPT. Interesting idea though.
 
Osvaldo: I originally evisioned many blade shapes residing in the Gunting handles..A myriad of types ready to grow in the Gunting family tree..
There were Appleseed tantos, warncliff ( blunt tip and sheeps head...), modified spear point, reverse utility (deep belly bowie style)Hawk Bill...scimitar...but reality is that we have the one I liked best and thats the way the land of production goes..
OK..
Look..Non lethal means non cutting..impact only..
Less than lethal would allow for some bio mechanical cutting..
such as snap cutting, surface cuts...
lethal ? OK we got that..DEAD...termination..
No.. there will be no such animal as a Self-defense blunt nosed Gunting anything..
I can do less than lethal ideas but the tool is in that shade of grey as to whats less than lethal or lethal..If its only designed to cut small pieces of rope it certainly could not do bio mechanical cutting..and IF it cuts someone might say its really is a lethal tool..and if you want to cut..use a Gunting..
Ripping open things like with the CRMIPTs horns..might be actually less than lethal because the skin is actually broken..
Its a very strange shade of grey..
But I do beliveve that in the long run ANY blade would in court be called a lethal tool if they choose to...
the problem with courts..
You want Impact? use a Drone..
You are an LEO and need a good impact control toll that can rip and snort a bit? Get a CRMIPT...

Did I design a blunt nosed-bottle nosed ( like the Dolphin) rescue Gunting? yes..( I design lots of stuff..that dioesn't mean its going to be made!) The RESCU-TING its not going to be made..Spyderco has its own design of rescue...and its part of the regu;lar Spyderco line-up..

My Rescu-ting had a Blunt bottle nose to allow for immediate punch into patient or victim and no cutting or stabbing as one went in deep to cut the seat belt..the ramp pulled the seat belt away from the patient or victim...
partially serrated blade ( only one part of cutting surface is actually sharp)..A rope cutting notch..
yes it breaks out car glass...
yes it can be opened wearing big rescue gloves..
yes one could pry or hammer with it...

But its a moot point...SPYDERCO has its own rescue model...
Maybe one day another company will like my design and make it because they don't have a Rescue model..

There has never been any question as to the composition of a CRMIPT..
Black live handle done in blue and the Red trainer blade...

If you can carry a Kubaton..you want less than lethal self deense..carry a Drone..it exists and its legal..

The next step available is the live Blade Gunting..

Sometimes life necessitates decisions..In this case the majority of you have a good choice..Cutting & impact or just impact..

You can't carry a knife..you are not allowed to use a knife..carry a Drone..

thanks..

Bram
 
Hello,

Bram, when I wrote the post, I wasn´t thinking about a RESCU-TING, I try to transmit you (believe me, sometimes dificult for our different languages) that I have had this idea and I want to know the Forums members Forum.

The idea was to summarize in one folder, the best of two great knives. Yes, I suposed you have done a lot of differents desings and I suposed too that the blunt edge was one of this desings. I thought that you finally had to decide for one desing (or three) and discart the others...

Abut the laws, I mean the Spanish Laws, they tell:

"...all kind of folders, specially the ones that has a pointed blade..."

This is why here, a blunt folder is "more legal" than a pointed one.

Yes, I know that a cutting edge can be lethal, but you can defend easely the injuries you have cut on the BG if you are able to transmit to the court that you "only want to cut him to stop him"... a cut can be consider by a judge as a discourage injurie while a thrust EVER will be consider as a lethal force... the idea is to be able to tell to the judge..."hey, I didn't want to kill him, my folder is not able to thrust, I only cut in the hand where he had the knife..."

That's all, only an idea... but not the RESCUE-TING, only a BLUNT GUNTING....

Thanks to the other contributors.

OSvaldo
 
Osvaldo:
You're too much!! You do make me smile..OK you make me ROFL..
Usually when people read into what I say or designthey figure I'm goingto have it made or just cause I design it that Spyderco will make it..I wish..LOL..
THere are more knife ideas than knives made...for sure!
Why not make a custom Gunting...???
Take an existing gunting ( not your primary carry either..get another one!)to a very good knife maker..and have him make you a new blade for it..??
A Custom guy should be able to do that..Then you have a one of a kind custom blunt tip gunting that fits the Spanish laws....
just a thought!!!!

be safe

BRAM

PS you do fine speaking two languages!!!!
 
Hello Bram,

:-)

...believe me, I have had the same idea... a custom Gunting.... I am thinking about it... I will inform you if I finally decide to do...

Do you think the knife maker should make a new blade or would be able to modify the pointed blade to blunt it?? This is very important... here are only a few knife makers...

Thanks for all, really Bram, thanks, and you know why I'm telling this.

From Spain,

OSvaldo
 
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