BM's oval hole: a distinct disadvantage

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ThinkOfTheChildren

ThinkOfTheChildren

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I just had a lot of fun handling my friend's new 550 (I have to pick one up myself). Well, this was my first time using the new oval hold from BM, and I thought I'd offer my two cents since this has been debated already.

The new oval hole looks alright and it works great with your thumb. The problem, however, is that it does not work in reverse grip. A spyderco circular hole can be opened with your ring finger in a reverse grip. This can be useful to you depending on your draw, etc, or you might not care. The BM hole cannot be opened with your ring finger in reverse grip: your finger gets horribly twisted. I tried it a couple times and OUCH!!! My finger would get stuck in the football shape and get twisted as far as the blade traveled. I tried it many times to see if I could find a way to do it, but always had the same results. I ended up with a sore finger and broken spirits.

So if you expect this hole to perform in every way that the spydie hole does, you might be dissapointed. I don't know how many of you open your knife in reverse grip but I sometimes do and I thought I'd spread the word.

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Interesting. At least it's easy enough to open Axis knives in reverse grip with a simple flick.
 
Very interesting! I must admit the oval hole looks ****! Give me a Spyderhole every time...

I just don't like the look of it, perhaps it works better for different people? Big mistake changing to that design IMHO



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looks like sh;t??? What are you talking about. There is only a slight variation in appearance. Talk about deifying a company. Holy cutlery company worshipers,
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bull**** - i love my AFCK w/a round hole, have made more than a few posts about it - i do not like the football lookin hole which, IMHO ruins the lines of 1 of the best folders around - IMHO they tried to improve on perfection, and they didnt- am gonna get at least 1 more AFCK to put up in case i wear mine out, lose it, etc - but it will be the 1 w/a ROUND hole.......

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what the hell, come on? I see no problem with the oval hole. Some of you people are too anal! I dont see much of a difference between the oval and circle. Actually, i prefer the oval. Some of you people need to take some time off from looking at your thumb all day, and if it hurts your poor thumb then dont apply so much pressure.
 
IMHO, Personal preference is what we are talking about here.
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The oval works fine for me and it looks better too...
Just my preference........


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Look guys, I didn't want to start a battle over which one is better. I posted this to say that I expected the new hole to perform a certain way and it didn't. I'm sure many of you don't use the hole for reverse grip openings so it won't matter to you.
Personally I'm dissapointed. The beauty of a tip-up carry knife is that it can instantly be grabbed in a reverse grip or forward grip from your pocket. Unfortunatley, the oval hole does not allow the reverse opening. As noted above you can flick it open but many people don't like to flick their knives.

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Originally posted by ThinkOfTheChildren:
Look guys, I didn't want to start a battle over which one is better.

But I was having so much fun!!!
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If people want to get a temper worked up over the shape of a hole on a piece of steel, then I will laugh!!!!!

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ThinkOfTheChildren:
Personally I'm dissapointed. The beauty of a tip-up carry knife is that it can instantly be grabbed in a reverse grip or forward grip from your pocket. Unfortunatley, the oval hole does not allow the reverse opening. As noted above you can flick it open but many people don't like to flick their knives.</font>
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I'd never tried opening a tip-up folder in reverse grip with the ring finger, but since you described it, and there was a Goddard ltwt. nearby, I gave it a go. Very (VERY) awkward for me, and very slow, round hole and all.
Honestly, the only time I can think of someone wanting to draw a knife in a reverse grip would be for self-defense-some people are partial to it. In that case, I'd imagine that damage from a snap opening would be the least of their worries.
Is it really "a distinct disadvantage"?
 
hahaha - wow - it is a bunch of crap over a 'hole' lol - but seriously, though it is personal pref, i really dont like the way the hole looks - i flick my AFCK open 99.9% of the time, because it flicks so well - barely flick wrist and poof its open - dont know how it opens so smooth w/out opening in pocket but mine never has - and i really like the knife, and i've got a few - CR, REKAT, Emerson, BM, Spyderco, Microtech, etc - and i bought several of those knives to replace my AFCK as EDC and none did, till my SIFU - BUT if i lived in an area were the SIFU was illegal i would carry my AFCK, and still usually carry it for utility use in addition to the SIFU - so, IMHO, personally, i think the AFCK's w/the football hole look "funky" - just dont care for them - and ya can get the round hole 1's for cheap, like $67.50, so why get the other ???


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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by OwenM:
Is it really "a distinct disadvantage"?</font>
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Yes.

Check the definition of distinct:

dis·tinct (d-stngkt)
adj.

1. Readily distinguishable from all others; discrete: on two distinct occasions.
2. Easily perceived by the senses or intellect; clear: a distinct flavor.
3. Clearly defined; unquestionable: at a distinct disadvantage.
4. Very likely; probable: There is a distinct possibility that she won't come.
5. Notable: a distinct honor and high privilege.

BTW, OwenM, too bad the reverse opening was awkward for you. I can open a spydie this way just as fast as with my thumb. I bet with practice you could as well. It's all about practice: many people can't operate a hole with their thumb at first.

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ThinkOTC,
Personal preference, like Vet said; IMHO.
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Some will like it , some won't, some will just gripe about it so they will have something to do.

I happen to like the oval, you like the round... I do not in any way feel like you are trying to start a "battle". I just read that 'you' were dissapointed because the oval did not meet 'your' expectations. No problem there.....
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BUT.......I do totally disagree w/ #4 in your definitions of the word 'distinct'.
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Have a great day,work on #4 if need be.....
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by teacher:
BUT.......I do totally disagree w/ #4 in your definitions of the word 'distinct'.
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Have a great day,work on #4 if need be.....
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LOL!
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I pulled that definition straight off of dictionary.com: I didn't write it.
Please do not let #4 reflect on me in any way
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Since here in Washington State, we can't be trusted to own or carry "automatic" knives (not even the little 2-inchers!
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.), for me at least, the thumb-studs as found on my Cold Steel and REKAT folders work very well for me...Better than either the round or oval "holes".
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ThinkOTC,

JUst kidding man!! Could not pass up the oportunity.......
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teacher,
By all means, when an opportunity expresses itself you must exploit it. You definitely made me laugh!
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Glockman99,
As others have stated above, it's all about preference. How are you enjoying your new Sifu? Opened any mail with it yet?
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TOTC,
Thanks for the daffynishion of that there word
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">It's all about practice: many people can't operate a hole with their thumb at first.[/B]</font>
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That's scary.

As to #4, that could distinctly lower one's chances of a future encounter. Might get the benefit of the doubt the first time, though. If such an opportunity should arise, the second time around should be distinctly distinct in it's distinction from the first.
Guess what my word for the day is, now
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