Boar to Badger brush conversion, a work in progress

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So I recently made the switch to a badger brush from a boars hair brush. The boars hair brush I have is an Omega 10005. The brush was great and I enjoyed using it very much, that is till I tried a friends pure badger brush for a week. When I had to give back the pure badger brush and return to the Omega, it just didn't do it any more. I found it didn't make a nice rich lather, it was floppy, and all in all just not as good as a lower end badger. With that I jump in with both feet and ordered a super badger brush.

I had originally planned on making the Omega my travel brush, but the thought of having to use it, just didn't fill me with anticipation. I could have given it away, but it was 6 months old, and if I didn't like it I wasn't going to burden it on someone else. While I was looking for brushes I stumbled onto The Golden Nib, and they sold all sorts of knots,. With that floating around in the back of my head, I got the idea of converting my old brush into a badger brush.

With the new brush in hand, and having used the pure badger brush, and the Omega in its original state I had a fairly good idea of what I wanted. I knew the handle on the Omega was beechwood and it looked pretty good for a $15 brush, but for some reason I thought that it had a 22mm knot. With my misinformed information I ordered up a silvertip badger knot with 65mm of loft. The day after I got my shipping notice I found out that my Omega was actually a 24mm knot:eek: Well not being one to be put off by a little miscalculation I just decided to remove the existing knot find or make a plug for the 24mm hole and bore it out to the proper 22mm size.

So on to the work in progress now that I have my long winded intro out of the way:D

This is what I started with, this is a picture of a new one in unused condition

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The first thing I did was soak the brush in boiling water to see if that would loosen up the epoxy, but it didn't work. then I just took a Olfa knife and cut the knot right at the edge of the plastic ring and grabbed a 1/2 drill bit and hand drill. Drilling at slow speed as close to the middle of the remaining knot I went till I saw wood chips.

Well I didn't see any wood chips the drill just suddenly sank in an extra 1/2 so I stopped and looked to see what I had. There was a nice gap under the knot. With the drilling out of the way I took a small chisel and started working out small pieces of the knot moving towards the plastic ring. With about 1/4 of the knot removed the epoxy let loose and the remaining knot came out with my fingers.

Time for a measure with a digital vernier caliper to see what the actual measurement was. It turned out to be 22mm with the plastic ring/sleeve still in the handle. Perfect I wasn't going to have to plug the hole and re-bore it:thumbup:

I then lightly sanded the handle to remove the Omega graphic, and wanting to keep this conversion on the cheap I gave it a few coats of mag wheel clear from dupli color I had laying around. It is meant to withstand the elements, so life on a shaving brush should be easy.

Here is what the handle looks like now

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No more Omega emblem, or pure bristle written on it. Really high gloss, that I have tested with a wet soapy hand. I also trimmed down the plastic ring/sleeve a couple of mm so the total set depth is now 17mm. That means that when I set my new knot my loft should be right around 48mm. The super badger I bought has a 53mm loft and a 23mm knot, so this one should have a touch more backbone, but the silvertip is softer so they should be pretty close on overall feel.

Now all I am waiting for is the new knot,

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and I am ready to epoxy it in. For epoxy I am going to give West Systems a try. There is a place in the city that I can get sample sized containers and that should be more then enough for the brush and a knife.

I will update this when the knot gets here, should be between today and Wednesday, with the installation of the knot, and the first use of the new Omega 10005 silvertip brush.
 
This looks interesting. The change of colour also improves the brush, but,the change of bristle will make it vastly better. Looking forward to the end product.
 
As soon as the knot gets here I am back at it, but that could be any time between today and the end of next week
 
Well the week is over and no knot in the mail box:( I know it is in transit some where between here and Arizona.
 
badger brushes were the majority when i was collecting razors. i understand most of them were produced in england & germany. i think i still have a coupal in the garage. they are quite common in england living under hedges--seems the english put food out for them since they're not pests like our coyotes.
dennis
 
I am almost positive that this badger knot is made from Chinese badger hair, I don't know it they are tied in Arizona, or if he just imports them.
In fact I think that the majority of knots are Chinese now. I also have heard that the best knots still come from England and Germany, its just that they use the Chinese hair. Lets face it badger hair is badger hair as long as it is properly graded.

As for those old badger brushes you may have tucked away in you garage, you should dig them out. With good knots be affordable they could be restored if needed quite easily. Also with the resurgence of wet shaving and everyone digging and looking for those classic rare pieces, you could have a gold mine in your garage. I recently saw a 1920s Gillette New and Improved type sell for over $700 on Ebay :eek: mind you it was the pre ban ivory case that drove the price up so high
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The knot came in today and I was going to wait till tomorrow to set it because it had been stuffed in an envelope for 2 weeks. It returned to its proper shape in no time so I figured what the heck lets get that sucker in:D

I wasn't able to get the lower loft I originally thought I wanted, but didn't drill it out to get it. I have been using the Fendrihan brush for 2 weeks now and am really liking the way it feels so it is set at a measured 53mm of loft. the Fendrihan says it is set at 53mm but I measure it at 52mm:confused: the TNG/Omega looks much taller but the black ring causes an optical illusion.

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A view from the top, how much will this one bloom when it hits the water tomorrow night?

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It looks as if when the TNG relaxes a little more it'll be right there. BTW nice work on the re-knotting
 
I really like TGN knots, I've purchased 2 dozen or so. They bloom wonderfully and are great knots. They are chinese knots in case you're wondering...
 
So just finished my first shave with the new Omega/TNG brush, my verdict? What a great brush:thumbup: It bloomed wonderfully, lathered great, held enough lather to do 5 passes with more in reserve and thats not counting what was still in the bowl.

Right now it is drying out so in the morning I will take some post shave pictures. As great as I find the new brush, I now appreciate the Fendrihan brush even more. It performs almost as well as the silvertip cost less, and I didn't have to make it. Where the TNG silvertip really out shone the Fendrihan is scrubbing on the tips. It just seems to have more backbone allowing it to stay on the tips better. Give it a little push or switch to paint brushing it becomes a cloud of lather. The Fendrihan just doesn't do that, its always soft and doesn't scrub as well. It is not a huge difference but I can feel it. I can't say that the Omega/TNG will be my go to brush but I will say it will get used every other day, one drying one being used

I have another boars hair brush that I am going to convert in the new year, that or I am going to just buy a smaller knot and handle to make a travel brush.
 
So as promised, here are the pictures of the two brushes side by side. The Omega/TNG is on the right in both pictures

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Both brushes are very dense and the TNG knot bloomed nicely:thumbup:
 
Looks good. you do mean TGN right? the golden nib?

I just got my dads wish-list. he had on it "bristle shaving brush" I'm assuming he means badger hair, not boar bristles. lucky me just committed to sending a shaving kit I'd put together to a local forumer. I'd like to get him an old Gillette DE as well and put together a kit for him.

how long did the knot take to arrive, and how much was shipping? Think I might like to go to an antiques shop and see if i have any luck with a razor and old brush handle. If not its off to badger and blade buy and sell, and my next question is then

how do you sanitize a used brush?
 
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Yes you are right:o I was up late last (4:20) night sanding and etching my latest knife build and then up early this morning (7:30). That or the frnch side of me is coming out and I am reversing words:p

I ordered the knot on November 20th, it was shipped on the 22nd and it came in this past Monday so 14 days in the mail to get to me. That may be pushing it to get it in time for Christmas. The Frendrihan brush is very close to the TGN brush, and only cost $42.50 and I think it would have been about $8 shipping if I hadn't spent enough to get free shipping.
 
you can sanitize brushes/razors with barbicide, a common product at Sally's or any other supply store like it. You can also use alcohol but the barbicide will be a little "gentler" on the item.

TGN ships pretty quickly, Tony is an awesome guy to do business with. Another person to contact would be Larry Andreassen over at Whipped Dog, just shoot him an email and ask for prices/shipping times - Larry gets stuff out quick!
 
of course! forgot about whipped dog.

Guess I have an excuse to get a straight now too. weee!
 
What kind of epoxy did you use?

looks like i'll be buying one from whipped with a 24mm silvertip knot.
 
I used just basic Lepage's 60 minute 2 part epoxy, I was going to use west systems epoxy, but they didn't have the small sample kits in stock. We use the Lepage epoxies to fix cross country skis at work so it should be good
 
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