Bohler N690 or Sandvik 12C27 - assuming same HT

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Consider buying an Arno Bernard Wild Dog, the newer (2011) model uses Bohler N690, whereas previous years' model uses Sandvik 12C27. Per inf. dug up on Arno Bernard knives, both were treated to about HRC60, assuming equal, and quality heat treat, should I go with N690, or 12C27? My dealer has both at the same price.

Your input and expertise on the subject matter is appreciated!
Redscat
 
N690 will be tougher, more aggressive and hold an edge longer and it has excellent stain resistance.
 
N690 is good stuff ! Holds up well, easy to sharpen to a fine edge.Very popular in Europe.
 
Won't be the same heat treat. Might be the same hardness.

N690, hands down.
Holds an edge on the order of VG1, VG10, 154CM. Maybe a bit better.
Holds an edge much better than 12C27.

Both take a really fine edge with not much work.
 
Redscat, I was looking for the same knife - love the shape and the size is perfect - but have been having a hard time finding one in N690. Most dealers seem to only have the older 12C27 version or don't know what they have - steel type is not indicated on the blade.

Who is your dealer?

Thanks!
 
So, does anyone know who carries the newer Arno Bernard knives in N690? (It's for a gift and it would be perfect).
Thanks for your help!
 
I have several Bokers in N690. Thus far, it seems a lot like S30V - maybe a tad easier to keep razor sharp. I found an N690 Wild Dog in maple burl at a LA mail order dealer and have one of them 'in the mail'. I'll report on it when it arrives. The salesgal said they aren't marked as to blade steel. Who does A. B.Knives think they are, Chris Reeves Knives??

Stainz
 
Well, it's here! Actually, it arrived yesterday AM by USPS. Although the website stated the Wild Dog was received July 28th and made of N690 Bohler steel, there is no indication of that on the sales receipt, knife box, or knife. Nothing in the box, either, like the sheet CRK includes indicating the blade material and Rc testing. The sheathed knife came wrapped in bubble wrap in the nicely made box. Two labels on one end of the box - "Made in South Africa" & "Model: Wild Dog, Handle Material" on one end; "AB043 & UPC 0 00000 16970 7" on a similar label on the other end.

The knife is well made - no, it's very well made! The blade is .150" (~3.8 mm)at the spine and highly polished at that thickness; finely ground to the straight bevel. The tang is full length but tapers in the handle. It came razor sharp. The maple burl handle is beautiful, and well-shaped - with five pins - and no lanyard hole. No thumb jimping - but the eased edge of the spine is comfortable as is. The only place you could draw a ferrocerium rod and draw a spark is on the edge. I'd rate the quality as excellent - bordering on exquisite - a great buy, I feel, at the price paid. The polished/finely ground blade resembles my Boker Savannah - side by side - looks like the same steel, as if I could tell. The Savannah is clearl labelled "N690", while the only ting on the Wild Dog is an AB logo and the name Arno Bernard in script.

Stainz

PS In the current brochure, downloadable at arnobernard.com, it states that they use N690 - and it takes a good polish (The similarities between the Savannah and Wild Dog again...) - no other blade metals are listed in the brochure. It states that they are hollow ground - must be shallow.
 
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Here is my new 'Wild Dog' and my CRK Nyala from last Christmas.

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I must take a better picture of the 'Wild Dog' - it is a handsome knife and holster combo - and for a street price ~ 2/3 the CRK Nyala's $230 MSRP - which I thought was a bargain. I got a personal response from A.B. re telling the difference. Mine is N690. It has a fine pattern in the steel - a la my Boker PryMate and Savannah. He also said he would see about labelling the type of steel in the future. Nice fellow to answer me personally!

Stainz
 
Sorry about resurrecting an older thread, but I just played Santa to myself. I wanted to ensure that I bought another N690 Wild Dog, but in giraffe bone, so I ordered via Arno Bernard's Jacksonville, FL website - and traded e-mails with A.B. himself. KnifeWorks, in LA, seems to only have 12c27 steel now - at a little bit of a savings off the list price. The list of $189 and $10 shipping - from South Africa (not stocked in FL) - seemed more than fair, especially for the assured N690. I was really pleased with my CRK Nyala - but more so with the A.B. Wild Dog. I thought about a different model - but this one really fits my hand well. One will be a user - likely my current one - the giraffe bone should be the looker. They estimate a week for the order - ten days for shipping. I'll report back when it arrives.

Stainz
 
Thanks for the update! I like hearing about positive experiences.
 
So, does anyone know who carries the newer Arno Bernard knives in N690? (It's for a gift and it would be perfect).
Thanks for your help!
Deal spotting is against the rules here at Bladeforums, I'd recommend doing a google search and see what comes up.
 
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