boiling vs. filtering vs. tablets

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which do you all feel is the best method of purifying water: boiling, filtering, or tablets? (best meaning kills the most bacteria and makes the water safest to drink).

Also just for clarification, usually streams that are shallow, clear water, fast flowing, and have fish in them are the cleanest right? is there anything in there that is wrong or missing that would make a stream cleaner?
 
From everythiong I've read.. and from some personal experience, other methods are effective but Boiling is hands down the safest way to purify water...WHile the charectaristics of a body of water (such as you mentioned) might indicate some purity...for safet's sake all water should found in the wild should be purified prior to consumption...That's just me though other opinions may vary
 
Each have their advantages and disadvantages. Boiling is the most reliable for sterilizing the water. Filtering is is the most reliable for removing harmful chemicals and minerals. Tablets are the most convenient to carry. In most circumstances, any of the three are reasonably reliable. In exceptional situations, you can both boil and filter.
 
Like previous posts have stated. All three methods work to some degree.

Boiling may not remove organic matter or chemicals neither will tabs.

A filter has a limited lifespan and tabs eventually run out but you will always be able to boil if you have a fire and a container.

Not all treatments (tabs) kill all pathogens. Iodine does not kill crypotspoidia.
Only chlorine dioxide is affective against crypto.

Not all filters remove viruses; tabs and boiling will.

The stream you described MAY be pure but there is no way to tell unless you know exactly what is upstream. If there is industry, farming or livestock upstream the water may be suspect.


The only true natural source of pure are springs and seeps. These are sources where the water has been filtered by running under ground. If the water comes out of the ground and you are at its SOURCE you can be fairly sure it is pure. The further away from the source the less reliable the water will be. A spring that is visited by a lot of people and or animals may not be pure but the tiny little seeps and springs that are not frequented usually are. I have had experience drinking from many sources like this in the Sierra Nevada.

Just for arguments sake I think that a lot of water in the wilderness is often safe to drink. I have read some studies and have tried it out myself.

One study found more giardia in San Francisco Municipal water than in numerous lakes and streams in the Sierra. All the bodies of water tested in the wilderness had lower levels of giardia than what SF permits in their water.
 
Boiling is a relaible way of killing viruses, bacteria, and parasites.

Filtering varies a lot. There are filters that catch bugs down to 2 microns and others that go down to .2 microns-- a 10:1 difference! Those filters with carbon elements will get some chemicals, and improve the taste and look of water. A pre-filter will help where there is a lot of sediment that may clog the filter. Filters with ceramic elements can be broken if dropped. Cross-contamination from improper handling is an issue too, but that can happen with any method. Filters are relativly heavy and expensive. They are the fastest method of making potable water-- chemicals can require hours to be effective.

Iodine tastes bad, is not good for you in quantity, and doesn't get all the bugs. It is an outdated method.

Chlorine Dioxide tablets or liquid, properly used, will kill all the bugs and is the lightest, most compact option, and is the smallest initial investment. Pre-filtering through a bandana or a coffee filter can help with high sediment content.

I use Aqua Mira liquid for most of my back country travel. I boil some when I have a butane stove. I include a pot in my PSK so I can cover all the bases and use a fire for care of purifiying water if chemicals aren't available.

Ultraviolet purifiers are an interesting option. They are fast, but expensive, fagile, and need batteries-- very much prone to Murphy's Law in a bad situtation.

With all mechanical means of purification, I would carry chemicals as a back-up. In 3rd world countries, I would filter and use chemical treatment too.

One interesting thing that I read is that surface water from a mountain like can be the safest as it gets the most UV exposure. I would have thought that fast moving water would be the best.
 
I am no specialist by any means, but to my understanding boiling is the most effective way to purify water.
 
Boiling will kill the most stuff, unless you are at too high an altitude. In that case, using a pressure cooker will get the temp back up to where it needs to be to kiill everyuthing. Actually a pressure cooker is good at sealevel too. It gets the temp way up, kills even more stuf and avoids boiling off so much of the water.

In fact that is the biggest danger of boiling, other than burning yourself. If you have lots of minerals in the water, let alone heavy metals, and you boil off 5 to 20 percent of the water, your concentration of minerals will obviously increase. If you have arsenic in the water at marginal levels like many places out west, then boiling is not a long term solution at all. Distillation or reverse osmosis is the only viable options then, and RO will only work with reasonable water pressure. Of course if you can get the top end of the hose 60 to 90 feet above the bottom end and keep the tank from going dry, you will have the needed pressure.
 
The "dung incident" was rather over the top. However, the elephant is not a carnivore and herbivore dung is much less likely to have deadly stuff in it than say a cat or weasel or something.

Actually, there are cultures that actively ingest horse or camel dung as a curative for diarrhea. Something about a certain bacteria that is in fresh dung that stops human diarrhea. Beats dehydrating to death, I think, maybe...
 
What Riley said.

In a survival situation if you have a suitable container, you can both boil and filter.
Boiling gets rid of the virusses, parasites and critters.
But , if you suspect chemicals, organics, and metals, you can filter also.

From your camp fire (made solely with wood), once it's died down, select the all back pieces left over, discard others. No ash either. The all black pieces are pretty much charcoal.
You can rinse the ash off of the pieces by running boiling water through it.

Crush the pieces into pea gravel size, you will end up that size, and on down to grains of sand and some black dust. Using a bandana, sock, or other piece of cloth make filter containing the charcoal.

Next, run some hot water through to rinse out any charcoal dust.
From there on, you have a field expediant charcoal filter.

if you magnified Charcoal , it wold look like a sea sponge, with lots of surface area, nooks and crannies. That's how it can trap chemicals. They basically get stuck in the molecular latticework of the charcoal.

You will have to dispose of it eventually, as a charcoal filter will "load up" and become less efffective. The good thing, is, you can dry it off, and burn it in your next fire.

If you find a soda can, or metal tin, you can make charcoal in that, by putting some hardwood (no bark) into the can, and place it on the fire. Don't let the wood inside actually catch fire, you just want all the other stuff in the wood to burn off, leaving you with pure charcoal.

If you have a plastic bottle, cut off the bottom, you can stuff your bandana or cloth that contains the charcoal down into the bottle, and pour water through it, allowing it to exit out of the cap-end of the bottle, like a funnel.

Charcoal filtering also removes foul tastes from your water.
 
For taking care of the little critters that'll make your life miserable, carry some Katadyn MP1 tablets. Each tablet treats 1 qt./ltr. of water. I suggest prefiltering the water to remove any particulate matter and sediment. I use coffee filters and a silk scarf for prefiltering and they do a pretty good job.
 
Longbow I think you mentioned the coffee filters in another thread since than I've started carrying a few in my psk...great idea thanks.
 
Another use for charcoal. When you do get diarrhea you can eat some of the charcoal. So if for some reason you didnt wash your charcoal filter properly dont worry about drinking some.

Sasha
 
charcoal is also excellent as a toothpaste.
 
Boiling for a minimum of 5 minutes is the most effective method. Once boiled poor the water back and forth between two clean containers to allow it to cool and remove some of the "boiled pot taste" from it. I now use a Bota bottle with a filter in it and also add iodine tablets. Almost everyone carries a Nalgene bottle. For close to that weight and size you can carry this water purification system. I find this filter removes most of the iodine taste. I always was one of those sick individuals who did not mind the taste.

Regards

Glenn
 
Site with references that says just bringing water to a boil is sufficient (no time at boiling needed):
http://www.high-altitude-medicine.com/water.html#heat

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_purification , "Near sea level, a vigorous rolling boil for at least one minute is sufficient. At high altitudes (greater than two kilometers or 5000 feet) three minutes is recommended.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_water_purification , "Neither chlorine (e.g., bleach) nor iodine alone is considered effective against Cryptosporidium, and they are limited in effectiveness against Giardia. Chlorine is slightly better than iodine against Giardia."

In short, boiling kills everything (virii, bacteria, and protozoa). Iodine or traditional chlorine sources can't get Crypto. Mechanical filters sold for backpackers can't always get the tiny virii. Carbon / charcoal is necessary to remove chemical contaminants. The new chlorine dioxide stuff is supposed to be able to get everything.

Here is an awesome summary of Cl, ClO2, iodine, and UV effectiveness, as well as the effects of temperature, turbidity, and pH on each:
http://chppm-www.apgea.army.mil/WPD/Disinfectants.aspx
 
I heard that boiling water releases toxins from blue green algae if its present in the water ( like here prettymuch all over the place ) . Filtering first , then boiling is my prefered method if Im around towns or farms , butwhen we are miles away from anywhere and the streams are obviouslynot used by stock , we drink it out of the stream , no purification , when we are nearish to civilisation and its environmental additives as sewerage and chemical pollution , yeah .. filtering and boiling , or preferably distilling is the go .

A still is not complicated , and very effective for removing bugs and stuff from the water
 
I always filter first, I find that a week or so of crapping sediment and fine particulate becomes unwelcome and uncomfortable. If you know what I mean.
 
I heard that boiling water releases toxins from blue green algae if its present in the water ( like here prettymuch all over the place ) . Filtering first , then boiling is my prefered method if Im around towns or farms , butwhen we are miles away from anywhere and the streams are obviouslynot used by stock , we drink it out of the stream , no purification , when we are nearish to civilisation and its environmental additives as sewerage and chemical pollution , yeah .. filtering and boiling , or preferably distilling is the go .

A still is not complicated , and very effective for removing bugs and stuff from the water
http://www.bchealthguide.org/healthfiles/hfile47.stm

Would not distilling remove heavy metals?
 
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