Bolt Action vs: Axis lock

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I recently got a Spyderco Sage 3 (I really like the Sage series), tribute is paid to Blackie Collins for the lock design. I vaguely remember the "bolt action" lock in magazines etc in the 80's but I am not schooled enough to tell the difference between it and the Benchmade "Axis lock", which seems similar and has many fans today. Are these really the same lock but with minor differences, or are they really completely different?
 
Similar concept, different execution. If I am not mistaken, the bolt action lock has a bolt that fits parallel with the blade inside a cutout on the blade. The Axis lock uses a bolt that sits perpendicular to the blade inside a cutout on the blade.
 
the gerber bolt pushes a rod parallel to the knife axis but blocks the tang at the top, not within a notch in the middle. its weakest part would be the handle material at the spine which blocks the rod in an upward movement when downward pressure is applied to the spine. handle is one-piece molded plastic. regardless, it's the toughest folder i own.
 
hank_rearden said:
the gerber bolt pushes a rod parallel to the knife axis but blocks the tang at the top, not within a notch in the middle. its weakest part would be the handle material at the spine which blocks the rod in an upward movement when downward pressure is applied to the spine. handle is one-piece molded plastic. regardless, it's the toughest folder i own.
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True on the original Gerber Bolt Action, not true on the Sage 3. The Sage 3's handle is three pieces of G-10, with a steel insert to carry the bolt.

The bolt action lock and the axis lock appear similar, but they are very different inside.
 
MassMatt said:
I recently got a Spyderco Sage 3 (I really like the Sage series), tribute is paid to Blackie Collins for the lock design. I vaguely remember the "bolt action" lock in magazines etc in the 80's but I am not schooled enough to tell the difference between it and the Benchmade "Axis lock", which seems similar and has many fans today. Are these really the same lock but with minor differences, or are they really completely different?
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Mechanically, completely different, but in terms of outward ergonomics, very similar.
 
Which came first, the Bolt Action or the Axis? I was told that Benchmade sold/traded the Axis for rights to use the Spydie hole.
 
marthinus said:
Bold Lock Patent was filed on 27 Jul 1981

Bolt Lock Patent

Axis lock was filed on 14 Apr 1998

First patent I could find.

Axis lock Patents as published (including international):

Oct 21, 1999: WO 1999052687 A1

Nov 6, 2002: EP 1071546 A4

Jan 7, 2004: EP 1071546 B1

Apr 27, 2010: USRE41259

Google people, its your friend.
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Dang. Thank you, thank you and once again. I have some reading up to do, thanks for the legwork, eh, fingerwork I suppose.
Rather not say where I heard it but he is a knifenut and in the 'industry'.
Based on the scant 20 minutes I spent looking through your offerings Marthinus, I'm still no where near clearer to an answer.
Did have a 'no shit' reaction to one of your links, McHenry/Williams. https://www.google.co.za/patents/US...ved=0CBwQ6AEwAGoVChMI09WX35S3xwIVZUPbCh1p3gCY
 
JoePhysician said:
Dang. Thank you, thank you and once again. I have some reading up to do, thanks for the legwork, eh, fingerwork I suppose.
Rather not say where I heard it but he is a knifenut and in the 'industry'.
Based on the scant 20 minutes I spent looking through your offerings Marthinus, I'm still no where near clearer to an answer.
Did have a 'no shit' reaction to one of your links, McHenry/Williams. https://www.google.co.za/patents/US...ved=0CBwQ6AEwAGoVChMI09WX35S3xwIVZUPbCh1p3gCY
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Sal Glesser said:
The patent has expired, which was on a one hand opener, not a hole.

However the trademark for a round hole (shape) is in force and trademarks do not expire.

Regarding Benchmade and the use of our trademarked hole shape, all I can say is that "Spyderco and Benchmade have an agreement".

sal
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sal said:
Nicely done. :D

Hi Bizarro,

Welcome to the Spyderco forum.

Spyderco and Benchmade have an agreement. As far as our invention and trademark. Yes. Spyderco created hole openers and has used a round hole since we began making folding knives.

Naturally we would hope you like ours.

sal
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Don't know where you heard that Benchmade sold/traded the Axis for rights to use the Spydie hole. All I have ever read on the matter I posted above and from my understanding the Axis lock patent will have run its due by next year July 2016 (unless they extend it somehow) from my research done a few years ago and it is also mentioned here by a Benchmade employee.

[video]https://youtu.be/0Cb63thtscs?t=576[/video]
 
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