Bram Seminar in Israel - A must read!!

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The steel commandments 2001:

I had the privilege (hard calling it a joy…
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This is the second time I attend a seminar with Bram, and while last year seminar was devoted to general knife work – this seminar was equally divided between general blade work – and the non-lethal applications of the new Gunting.

Let me start by saying right away – I have already been exposed to the Gunting Prototype last year, got the Gunting and the trainer and played with them a little, and also watched the three tapes of the Gunting series.

However – nothing, and I do mean NOTHING, prepared me to the level of efficiency I felt at this seminar.

To summarize it in short - The Grunting is without a doubt the best non-lethal weapon I have ever had the pleasure (?) of seeing and feeling in action.

But first to the seminar –

The seminar was organized by Guy Refaeli (AKA – Scorpio) – Spyderco importer to Israel. It was held in a park in Tel Aviv and lasted three days. The attendants included police and army personal (on a private basis) some Martial art students, and one Arnis teacher who was a great believer in sticks – and looks like he has been Converted (at least partially)…

On the last day we were invited to be guests in the Dojo of Mr. Dennis Hanover - the creator of “Dennis Hisardut”. Thanks Dennis.

Most of the training was done using Raisin mock ups of Randall no 1 and no 14 and the Gunting work was done using rubber covered aluminum drones – both of the closed and the open position. They are well rounded and protected by the rubber – but they still hurt like hell. Any time the rubber-coated model didn’t give the full effect Bram would reach into his skunk works kydex holster – get the trainer and I would start seeing starts…really - you see -I volunteered to have the demonstration done on me...

Being a retired first Sargent in the Israeli army and a student of Chinese martial arts for the last few years – I have seen and used quite a few weapons. But nothing in my experience is as effective and gets the immediate response and co-operation the Gunting does. No Kubotan, Stick, knife or any other tool creates such a dramatic and devastating effect – without causing any damage whatsoever to the receiving end.

In one of the breaks – we were talking about doubts people express about the Gunting’s efficiency.

Well – as Bram said – people have to FEEL it to appreciate it. The design is so unique and different from anything else – that it has to be tried and felt to be fully appreciated.

Over Dinner in my house on Friday night we were talking about the amount of pain people should be receiving in a seminar like that.

Bram said that he thinks people pay and have the right to receive a mild amount of pain in return for their money...

I, with bruises and blue marks on my arms, legs and neck, asked Bram to define “mild” he answered immediately – well - you did not faint, you did not pee in your pants – that’s mild.

Apparently – people have already done both under the influence of the Gunting – mainly the live version – where both the “horns” and “Ramp” have sharper edges.

One last word – the seminar was a blast – everybody enjoyed it a tremendously – and said they’d be back for next year.

If you have never been to a seminar of Master Bram Frank – do yourselves a favor and attend one – you will never look at a knife the same after it.




[This message has been edited by Blilious (edited 05-28-2001).]
 
Gadi,
I TOLD you I was going to look into Bram and the Gunting!! Voila!!! I found this thread
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Now I'm even MORE interested!!!

Neil

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Hi Neil. welcome to the Spyderco forum.

Lots about Guntings here. Might also suggest you look into the Spyderco website forum which contains an MBC forum moderated by Bram.

sal
 
People have wet themselves and fainted? Good grief!

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Nail!

Yes - it is a VERY interesting design - and even walking around with the trainer or the crimpit - one does not feel unarmed.

You should definitely get to one of the seminars - as a knife maker - you and Bram will have LOTS to talk about - the man is unbelievably knowledgeable - and is keen on passing this knowledge to others.

The General: - this has been known to happen - mainly while using the real Gunting for real purposes - but The main reason for feeling the pain - is to understand how little effort you need to apply when you use it on others...if you use slightly too much pressure - you’re training buddy is not going to be happy - more like he'll want to kick your a$$
 
Sal - just remember who was the one who brought this talented maker to this forum for the first time
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Gadi: thanks for the kind comments about the training. I'm glad that everyone seems to feel as you do about the COMMANDMENTS of STEEL...
You did much better than last year and I cannot thank you enough for letting me borrow your body to use as my training dummy..
of course Guy's arms were the worst of the bunch!!!!

I just got the photos from Nomi..they're great!

I look forward to next years Commandments and the subsequent trainig sessions we'll hold while I'm in Israel..

by the way, dinner was great!
 
My arms still hurt when this dude "borrowed" my limbs for a demo!!
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*heh-heh!* Yeah, Bram is awesome!! The Gunting is impressive too!
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Dr Dennis Hanover, one of the Fathers of Martial Arts in Israel and head of a very tough combat Art was so impressed with the GUNTING that MBC-GUNTING has been certified by DR Hanover & Dennis Survial JuJitsu as one of the most effective "fighting" styles in the world today..
I'm honored that Dr Hanover thinks so highly of the GUNTING SYSTEM which was an integral part of the COMMANDMENTS this year...

Gadi..I'll see you soon I hope!!!
why hasn't Guy posted yet????
I talked to him this morning..
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BRAM:


...You did much better than last year and I cannot thank you enough for letting me borrow your body to use as my training dummy..

by the way, dinner was great!
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This reminds me of the joke about the alligator in the pub..."just don't hit me so hard on the head..." LOL

If you don't know it go the W&C for details..

 
well Blilious,
that remark is gonna hurt you...LOL
yes lately i'm basically a troll and do not post as much,everybody else seems to respond so fast i have nothing really to add.
as for commandments of steel Bram was at his best and the Commandments has been the best so far, i guess the GUNTING had something to do with it..
Bram thanx a bunch for comming and i hope all forumites that are interested will attend next year.
the Happy Troll..
scorpio.
 
ahh we finally hear from the Commandments sponosor..the Israeli Troll himself.. Guyorpius.....gee Gadi a new name for Guy...
hmmmm do you hide under the rocks, on top o the rocks..or under the shade of those wonderful trees in the park?
Just joking...
Thanks for putting on a great training camp Guy...
and you should see Guys arm..hoo boy did he get "Gunted"...
 
Hey Bram - new verb? "Gunted"?

I like it a lot
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the verb - not the feeling of being Gunted...
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[This message has been edited by Blilious (edited 06-07-2001).]
 
Hello Scorpio. You found your keyboard? Are you ging to the Riddle?

How's our statue doing?

sal
 
Hey Sal!

If being tortured (sorry - practiced upon) by the Gunting is "Gunted"...then I don't see why attending the riddle is "Ging"...

Riddle? I'm puzzled..
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