BRAMP v. Emerson Wave openers

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I am considering either the 5.11 Marcaida Talon or the Fox DART. Both are folders. The 5.11 Talon uses a BRAMP-style opening assist, while the Fox uses the Emerson Wave. My question is - Which style of opener is more reliable when the adrenalin is flowing? And, is there anything else I should know about either one that would suggest a “No buy” decision?

Thanks,
Alan
 
I never used the Marcada BRAMP but I can see the idea behind it. On the other hand I used a lot the wave style opening, mostly for work but also couple of times for self defense.
For number of reasons my vote will go to the Wave, my only condition would be that the knife with the wave will have a short paracord fob, without any pretty, heavy items dangling at the end.
There is a learning curve how to draw a wave knife, but nothing extraordinary. Get the knife you'll like, put a fob on the clip and in a few days you'll develop reflex for drawing it without thinking about it.
The way I see the opening Mr Marcada is offering, it's basically uses the same principle but I will assume you'll need to apply little bit more pressure to it downwards when drawing, to insure traction between
the "system" and the pocket or wherever you're drawing it from. Also I would assume the system is associated in some way with specific fighting technique.
Knowing who Doug Marcada is I would assume the system is working just fine, I'd say it's more for people that are training more often,
where the Emerson Wave can be learned fairly quick and it's not really attached to any formal way of knife training.
It's only my 2 cents, of course I could be wrong, but I can assure you the Wave is very fast once you learn it correctly, with your particular knife.
 
1. Thanks for your quick reply.
2. What is the purpose of adding a fob to pocket clip?
3. Doug Marcaida is a well known Silat instructor. He was one of the judges on the “Forged in Fire” TV series.
 
No problem, I'll be happy if my experience help for your decision, still it's good to hear others on the subject too, I'm also curios about the BRAMP system..
.:cool: Yes, I know who Mr Marcada is, I was not familiar with his system... :thumbsup:

Generally, I use fobs on almost all my knives just for faster drawing from the pocket, no "tactical" intent, just more convenient.
This way your thumb falls almost immediately over the opening mechanism, hole, or thumbstud...

IMO, when we're talking about some sort of self defense, the purpose of the fob is to grab it with your pinky and ring finger and draw the knife out of the pocket.
This way, your middle and index finger sort of falling over the handle and with some basic training your grip will hardly need adjustment.

Otherwise, without fob, you will have to pinch the pommel of your knife, whatever part is sticking out of your pocket, draw, and adjust your grip. Much slower in my experience.

I don't like the heavy objects at the end of the fob simply because when you hit something harder, the fob will swing and the bead or whatever you got there will hit you very hard,
avoidable issue...

As you can see, the fob on my Emerson is different than the other fobs, it is still stiff enough to stick little bit on the side and allow you to grab it without looking at it, soft enough not to hit you when stabbing hard.
I like to attach my fobs to the clips simply because I'm too lazy to disassemble them when I'm cleaning my knives. This way I can move my fob to the knife I like to carry today, to another knife - tomorrow and so on...

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One more thing if you use paracord for whatever, I found that the one with the reflective threads in it are very useful if you drop your knife,
it only takes to flash your flashlight from a point close to your eyes and you'll see where the knife is. I drop my knives in attics and some other closed spaces,
helped me few times to find them.

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Got it. In the case of these two folders, the ring opposite the blade pivot sticks above the pocket. The knife is grabbed by putting the forefinger thru the ring and moving the hand up. When doing so, the middle, ring, and pinky fingers fold naturally around the handle.

Alan
 
I'd say, you should try both if you can and see what would be more suitable for you and your way of carrying the knife.
For any of those two systems, as for anything else, you'll need to practice in order to be effective, otherwise you will be only "walking" the knife here and there... :cool: :thumbsup:
 
I am considering either the 5.11 Marcaida Talon or the Fox DART. Both are folders. The 5.11 Talon uses a BRAMP-style opening assist, while the Fox uses the Emerson Wave. My question is - Which style of opener is more reliable when the adrenalin is flowing? And, is there anything else I should know about either one that would suggest a “No buy” decision?

Thanks,
Alan
Wave is more tried and true. I’m currently looking for a dart but they all seem sold out.
 
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