Breaking Tradition

Mistwalker

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For the most part I tend to like and respect traditions, things that don't change over time. On the other hand evolution and new interpretations sometimes work better for me. I would never dis Horace Kephart, or try to take away anything from the man. With both of us having a love of books, the great smoky mountains and the wilderness in general, traveling, wildlife photography, and camp cooking...we have a lot in common. Probably because he was one of my earliest influences and I very much envied the man's opportunity to live in the smoky mountains. However, as much as I admired and respected the man, and tried to like his idea of an ideal knife, the Kephart knives I have seen over the years have just never appealed to me in the slightest. I could live with the plain simple handle with no problem, but the rounded-nose tip with so little point did nothing for me at all, and seemed all but useless for my needs in the woods. Sure, I could make one work if I were forced into the situation, but a lot of my spare time would be devoted to reshaping the tip if I had to do it on creek rocks.

When I came back from South Florida at the end of the summer, and actually had decent internet access again, I saw that Andy at Fiddleback Forge had produced his own interpretation of the Kephart knife. A very non-traditional interpretation that immediately caught my attention. It has a much pointier tip, and a more contoured handle, so definitely has more sex appeal, but it is still along the lines of a simple functional knife from my perspective. I knew then and there that I needed to start saving up...the recent trip had done much more than deplete our financial resources, I was also deep in debt. So I watched every Friday, staring wistfully at the various versions of the new Kephart Andy was producing with various handle materials, and with and without tapered tangs. I would Compliment the ones that really appealed to me...nearly all of them really, I expressed my hope of getting one later, and passed the time trying to decide which handle material I would like best and, wondering what combinations would be available some time after the first of the year.

A couple of weeks ago a friend wrote, and said he wondered if I would photograph one of his knives. After a discussion I said sure. Then a few days ago a mysterious box shows up at the PO Box. Inside is one of Andy's Kepharts and a note saying (paraphrasing) Thank you, Merry Christmas to you and yours, I know you like Andy's knives and have been liking the Kephart especially, I hope you enjoy the knife, I look forward to seeing photos of it later. I was in a state of stunned shock and disbelief, and to say I was excited would be a major understatement. I didn't have time to do much with it the day I hit the woods with it, so nothing really serious, I just messed around with it trying to get a feel for how it handled. I was up on the side of the mountain in a creek gorge, and it was pretty cold . I had wanted to start a fire, but it was extremely windy so that was a real concern for me since I really didn't “need” a fire. I really do like this handle shape very much, it really feels great in hand. The grinds are beautiful as usual, and I love how the knife handles. I'm sure it won't be for everyone, nothing ever is, but for me this is definitely a case of me liking an evolution.

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For now I'm using the original Hunter sheath since I have a custom sheath for that knife.

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My hands were cold and so was the wood I was working with. I think it was cherry, it was well seasoned and hard, not spalted.

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A shot of the Kephart next to the Bushfinger.

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Great write up and pics Mist. I really love the look of Andy's handles they look great, and I bet they feel just as nice.
 
Thank you for a great write-up and awesome pictures. That is a beautiful knife.

Thanks, glad you enjoyed them. Isn't it though, I was just stunned when I opened the box. I have always liked the look of bone but it's just too fragile for my lifestyle. I like that this G10 looks like bone to an extent but has the durability of G10.


Andy's knives are amazing to say the least. Love that particular one!

Andy's knives are amazing. I have really liked watching him grow in his craft and seeing his work get better and better over time. Me too, I really like a sharp pointy tip. Not for use in stabbing, though that is a definite plus if such is required, but mainly in much more utilitarian uses. I have never once wished my knife had a more rounded tip for anything that was important, but have wished the reverse on a few occasions.


Great write up and pics Mist. I really love the look of Andy's handles they look great, and I bet they feel just as nice.

Thanks Dale. Me too. All that I have handled felt great in hand, but I have to say that this one definitely feels the best so far.
 
Great looking knife. The matching pins are a nice touch. And G10 is hard to beat for a hard use knife.
 
You know Mist, I wasn't sure about Andy's interpretation of the Kephart. Based on looks only it appeared to me a little too aggressive with just a touch of tactical.
However, your review/pics put it in a new light.
Stop using Jedi power over weak minds!!
 
Wow, what a gorgeous knife! That looks pretty much perfect to me, both aesthetically and practically.
 
Another great post buddy,yours are always one of my highlights when browsing this forum !

I have to say however that as sweet as that knife is I don't really see how it can be called a Kephart. It's blade and handle shape are so far removed from the Kephart style that it would be akin to making a humpless Nessmuk, LOL. It's the same when some people make a WSK knife without the saw back or quarter rounder, what you just end up with is a Bowie or similar type knife which has little bearing on Tom Browns original concept even though in reality they might be more practical.

Anyway JMO for what little it's worth !

I'm gonna have to try and add a Fiddleback to my collection one day, the quality of his work just keep going up and up.......amazing quality !:thumbup:
 
You know Mist, I wasn't sure about Andy's interpretation of the Kephart. Based on looks only it appeared to me a little too aggressive with just a touch of tactical.
However, your review/pics put it in a new light.
Stop using Jedi power over weak minds!!

I can see that, the first thing I noticed was the point and had to look at a couple of other pics to clearly see the handle contours and how it flowed together. It's just opinion of course, I've never really asked him, but I don't think Andy thinks along modern tactical lines in designing any of his knives, but he definitely does my favorite kind of tactical very well (think 14th or 15th century) whether intentional or not. There are more pics to come to illustrate my thoughts on the utilitarian nature of the design...once it stops raining again.


Wow, what a gorgeous knife! That looks pretty much perfect to me, both aesthetically and practically.

Pretty much the same thoughts I had when I opened the box!


Another great post buddy,yours are always one of my highlights when browsing this forum !

I have to say however that as sweet as that knife is I don't really see how it can be called a Kephart. It's blade and handle shape are so far removed from the Kephart style that it would be akin to making a humpless Nessmuk, LOL. It's the same when some people make a WSK knife without the saw back or quarter rounder, what you just end up with is a Bowie or similar type knife which has little bearing on Tom Browns original concept even though in reality they might be more practical.

Anyway JMO for what little it's worth !

I'm gonna have to try and add a Fiddleback to my collection one day, the quality of his work just keep going up and up.......amazing quality !:thumbup:

Thanks man, I'm glad you like the posts.

I can see that, and I'm certain you won't be the only one with that opinion. But that's the great thing about knife makers being artists, and the aspect of artist interpretation. A lot of Bowie knives look very little like the knife Jim Bowie carried, my Western W49 didn't, my Case Bowie didn't, and my Cold Steel Trail Master sure doesn't and it's my favorite Bowie so far. Heck I started out early understanding knife interpretations...I've yet to find a restaurant who offers what I consider a steak knife and I usually just use my own ;) All I know is after so many years of liking, respecting, and admiring the man, I can now be happy to own a knife the maker calls a Kephart no matter how loosely the translation :D Because all other interpretations I've seen, and from what I see they are all interpretations of the original with some common aspects, did nothing at all for me personally.

Andy is definitely producing some amazing work. I am really digging his tapered tangs and one of those is next on the list of Fiddlebacks to get.
 
I don't have an opinion about Kephart knives but this interpretation really screams bad-ass! And as always, great pictures! I think Andy Roy made this his own, damn!
 
I love my kephart knife, but I've been wondering myself whether there's a better way to go than the broad tip. One of the next bushcraft knives that I make will probably be a kephart design but with a clip point.
One of the great things about bushcraft is that there's rarely only one way to do something. We all have our own preferences that we can have honest disagreements about. Diversity in all things is great — especially in knives! As a knifemaker, having people with different thoughts and preferences about knives is great. I love working with people to help them design and realize the knives that they've been seeing in their head!

- Chris


ETA: and that knife of yours is beautiful! I have a huge amount of respect for Fiddleback Knives for their rugged but refined look and obvious passion for function.
 
I don't have an opinion about Kephart knives but this interpretation really screams bad-ass! And as always, great pictures! I think Andy Roy made this his own, damn!

I thought the same thing when I was first checking out the design, and still think so now in hand. I really think he did also. Thank you. I'm glad you liked the photos!


I love my kephart knife, but I've been wondering myself whether there's a better way to go than the broad tip. One of the next bushcraft knives that I make will probably be a kephart design but with a clip point.
One of the great things about bushcraft is that there's rarely only one way to do something. We all have our own preferences that we can have honest disagreements about. Diversity in all things is great — especially in knives! As a knifemaker, having people with different thoughts and preferences about knives is great. I love working with people to help them design and realize the knives that they've been seeing in their head!

- Chris


ETA: and that knife of yours is beautiful! I have a huge amount of respect for Fiddleback Knives for their rugged but refined look and obvious passion for function.


Well, there are a lot of factors involved in choosing a knife; what is personally considered primary uses, prevalent environment type and organic materials available within it, how one uses a knife in their interaction with their usual environment, needs that were not met and/or were met well in previous experiences, visual perception of form, preconceived notions, weight, and perceptions of others, etc. all play a role in the tools we are drawn to. Many of my primary uses involve a good point, for others that is not the case. We are all individuals with our own individual tastes and needs. What a boring world it would be if we were all the same.

Thanks Chris, it's definitely the most "elegant" knife I have so far, but I am definitely enamored with it, and enjoying it very much. Now to see how natural G10 holds up to all of my interaction with my environment :) It's not my first Fiddleback to be sure, it's the fourth, and after a lot of hours in the woods using his knives, and several conversations with the man over the years, I have developed a great deal of respect for the man and the tools he produces.

Brian
 
Hi Brian,

Thank you for taking the time and energy to create this wonderful thread!

I always enjoy your journeys. The way you present them allows me to feel like I'm right there as well. The knife looks awesome and as you displayed quite functional. I am absolutely looking forward to your next post with this knife! I can't wait. :)

Take care.

Mark
 
Hi Brian,

Thank you for taking the time and energy to create this wonderful thread!

I always enjoy your journeys. The way you present them allows me to feel like I'm right there as well. The knife looks awesome and as you displayed quite functional. I am absolutely looking forward to your next post with this knife! I can't wait. :)

Take care.

Mark

Thanks Mark,

I'm glad you enjoyed the thread. No worries man, it's a labor of love. I always enjoy using a fine knife, and I am every playing with my camera :) The knife is very functional, and very much a pleasure to use. It's been hanging out in the kitchen with me the last couple of days, so by the end of the next post with it you'll notice the blade isn't quite so shiny anymore :D
 
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