Brian Andrews Hidden tang mora style

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Hey everyone, I've actually had this knife for quite awhile now, about 9 months or so. I had been putting off doing a review untill I got accustomed to it, then kept putting it off and putting it off. Until recently, when I realized it has become my favorite knife. It's become the one I grab before any others, the one in this expansive size range that has become my ideal bushcraft knife. I finally decided to post about it after noticing that this design by Brian Andrews ( based on a mora, but with a custom flare) doesn't get much buzz and I feel that's a shame, because it's an amazing blade, with the most comfortable handle shape that I've ever had the pleasure of using. This particular piece is curly birch, reindeer, leather and brass, the simple handle design just melts into the hand and offers up no hot spots during extended use, even gripping hard and pushing through hard wood. Anyways, on to some pics

It came with an Andrews wood lined leather pouch sheath, just a great traditional touch

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Making some curly sticks

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In hand and a few for sizing

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Thin too, it's a frickin laser

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Just wanted to share a bit, kind of share the experience of a fantastic knife:D:thumbup:

Thanks!
 
Beautiful. I own 2 of his blades and they are excellent fit and finish, as well as pleasing to the eye.
 
That knife looks stunning. Definitely good on the eye, and likely on the hand as well. :thumbup:
 
that's a next level mora. Timeless design, no way you can go wrong with that. Beautifully executed.
 
For that design - that knife is not that thin. It is the grind that makes it a lazer - which is a testament to the maker.

I love this knife. May I ask - how is the tang attached the brass butt plate?


I WILL make one of these one day - I just need to get up the guts.

TF
 
For that design - that knife is not that thin. It is the grind that makes it a lazer - which is a testament to the maker.

I love this knife. May I ask - how is the tang attached the brass butt plate?


I WILL make one of these one day - I just need to get up the guts.

TF

This is from Brian's site, talking about how he put the handle together

- Full tang. I haven’t kept up to date on what is going on in the mora handle, but I am quite positive it is not full tang. In my design, the tang has been threaded, epoxied and put under compression by a custom made pommel that has an integrated hidden nut. While there is epoxy on everything, it is nice to know that the whole system is held together by mechanical means.
 
I WILL make one of these one day - I just need to get up the guts.

TF

Baby steps. Before you tackle the challenges of making a blade you might be well served by using a high quality blank from the likes of Jukka Hankala or Pekka Tuominen. That way you can work on your knife design, blade-to-bolster-to-handle fitting, and handle contouring without having to worry about blade grinds or heat treatment.
 
Kam,

That is what I am doign exactly - I am not going to START with making a blade - I have a few Mora's I am going to Handle First. ;)

TF
 
This is from Brian's site, talking about how he put the handle together

- Full tang. I haven’t kept up to date on what is going on in the mora handle, but I am quite positive it is not full tang. In my design, the tang has been threaded, epoxied and put under compression by a custom made pommel that has an integrated hidden nut. While there is epoxy on everything, it is nice to know that the whole system is held together by mechanical means.

Heck yes - That is NICE!

TF
 
Seriously Brian - I am deeply impressed by this blade. What a heirloom.

TF

Thanks TF!

That butt cap is something special. I have a couple more made up and ready, and am in the process of making more (but a bit different for future products).

Luckily, I have access to a metal lathe, and turned down the butt plate from a solid piece of hex stock (the hex stock was convienent for tightening the whole assembly together, and it just got ground to an oval later anyway). But, the back plane was machined to a specific thickness, but a "barrell" of material was left in the center. That barrell was then drilled and tapped, to accept the threading I put on the tang.

I went to all that work because I was happier doing this method than peening, and couldn't find anything commericially avaiable that didn't look like it was made for a "fantasy" style knife.

B
 
How did you put the threads on the tang? I too can lathe up a cap and understand your process there - but how to get the threads on the tang....


TF
 
Beautiful knife! Heck that's not even my chosen style of knife for field use and I'd still love to have one.
 
I'm curious about the choice to thread the tang. I understand the advantage that threading provides, but isn't there the possibility that the buttcap might rotate a bit? Plus, a well-peened tang can be a beautiful detail.

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How did you put the threads on the tang? I too can lathe up a cap and understand your process there - but how to get the threads on the tang....


TF


Hey TF,

I orginally got the idea from Enzo.

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I don't like all the hard lines in their tang reduction, but that is where the idea came from.

Other than that, you can have to plan your reduction, with the thread size. Oversize it a bit at the end, and when you round the corners of the rectangular stock, machine it the diameter it should be for thread die. The threads will be deeper on one side than the other, but if you make sure you get enough thread engagement, you will be fine.

Support the steel close to the die, and go slow. Clean the threads often, and then clean them up again after heat treat/tempering.

I'm curious about the choice to thread the tang. I understand the advantage that threading provides, but isn't there the possibility that the buttcap might rotate a bit? Plus, a well-peened tang can be a beautiful detail.

I am have tons of reasons for the choice to thread :)

I realize my method is not "traditional" and may not appeal to everyone's tastes. But, that is the great thing about making knives and not having to sell any. They are for me :) If other people like them, that is just bonus.

Here are my reasons for threading:

Steel. My biggest reason for doing that is the steel. I am a HUGE fan of O1. There is a lot of controversy around differentially heat treating O1 with a torch, so I wanted to be able to do it with the kiln. Even if I used the kiln and did not quench the tang, O1 will still air harden in the 50's. You won't be peening nothing there :) Even its is untreated state, O1 is still pretty hard (Compared to steels used traditionally in this style of knife) and tough to peen.

The way I did it was to kiln heat treat the O1, and then spring temper the tang. Since I don't have to worry about peening, I could spring temper the whole tang, which I think is optimal.

The other cool thing about this style, is I can pretty much do any type of steel. A2, D2, 440C, S30V. While breaking from "tradition" with those steels, it could be something that a customer wants. I understand all the advantages of a differentially hardened blade, but those advantages diminish with the smaller blade size. Again, my opinion.

Solid butt cap. I am not a knife abuser, and I generally think about what I am doing, and what type of wood I am working with. Even with that, I will pound the butt of a knife into wood for one handed use, or very, very repetitious work. I feel a little bit better about pounding on metal than wood, even though I have done it with wood handled knives too. Another cool thing about being a knife maker is I pretty much know I can fix anything I do, so I am not afraid to do just about anything.

When I was thinking about this, I had more reasons than that. If they come to me, I will post again. But, I also wanted to respond to your comment on the cap un-screwing.

Besides screwing things together, I glue everything up with West Systems epoxy. I have worked with them in the past to find the best epoxy for my application and am using one of their impact grade epoxies. I have done lots of tests with, and couldn't be happier with the performance. I personally think you have more chance of the antler or curly birch blowing apart in pieces before you do of that cap coming un-twisted.

I realize there can be drawbacks and benefits to everything. I have often thought about doing things differently, and am not opposed to it, but I am more than happy with this style of build.

B
 
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Thanks for explaining your reasons. I love learning about these things.
 
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