buck 110 question

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Hi, I have looked for a answer to this question for a while ,so I thought I would give it a try here, the 110 is a inter frame knife very similar to the Gerber FS, I suppose lot of you have already read that Al Mar wanted Gerber to make a inter frame, so he asked Ron Lake if he would allow it, but Ron wanted royalties, so I THINK Gerber took it to Germany until they could find a answer on how to get around Ron Lake, somehow. They must found a way around, all FS Gerbers have a patent number on them , they changed something , it maybe the half stop on the Gerber, it's not much good on the giant FS3, now to get to the question. Is the Buck 110 a Ron Lake design, was it made before Ron made his first inter frame, and if it is a Ron Lake design do they pay royalties to Ron, I don't think so ,that would be a lot of money, maybe Buck changed something ,but it is very similar to a Gerber FS and a Ron Lake knife. Thanks George God bless
 
Ignorance of all the facts has never kept me from making comments, so I will throw in my two cents worth.

First of all, I don't believe that the 110 is an inter-frame design. My understanding is that with an inter-frame, the center portion of the metal frame is removed and replaced with another material, which would be the inlay material on the 110. The metal frame of an inter-frame knife more or less surrounds and encloses the second material, which is not really an inlay lying on top of the frame.

Second, although Ron Lake makes some wonderful knives, he didn't make his first knife until a couple years after the 110 hit the market, and his patent for the inter-frame included a tab rear lock, which is quite different from the 110, wasn't granted until several years after that.

I think you are trying to make an invalid comparison between the 110 and the Ron Lake design.

Now it's time for people who really know to straighten me out.
 
Your close enough Bert. When Buck came out with there 110 (1963) many cutlery firms were already making a large folder. Yet, I don't think they were locking but a back lock design had been around. Buck merely brought it out in a large folder at the right time. The knife public was ready for it and it took off. DM
 
Hi, the only problem understand all of this is the Gerber FS is very similar to a version 4 110, except the inlay and rocker rivets are hidden and it has a half stop,and the inlays come in from the bottom, if I am remembering correctly, if Gerber had so much trouble why did everyone else get a pass, unless the original Gerber was a lot different than the one that we see now with a patent number on all of them, maybe Ron Lake took Bucks idea, who knows, it seems like no other knife builder has a patent problem. Thanks George God bless
 
Hi, I just took a fast look around , and found that the 110 and a spyderco are interframe knives,I am sure that there are many more. I was directed to knife forums,it just came up with a google search,I didn't check any farther, the patents would be expired a long time ago, I also seen somewhere where Ron Lake and 2 of his knife maker friends I think one was Joe cenfonte had a patent on the rocker lock or back release , it's expired by now it was in 1963, I think the best way to stay out of trouble with patents is, just not ask, and build your knife.We may never know why Ron just gave Gerber a bad time, I am going to take a wild guess,{ they asked him} George God bless
 
junom,

I think you should define what "interframe" means to you because I am sure that the 110 is not an interframe knife. Also, I believe the Lake patent was issued in the early 1970s.
 
Hi, all I know is a slip joint knife, most of the time doesn't have a frame, just 2 cut scales 2 inter scales, or full scales, the handles and the bolsters , sometimes no cut scales. I just did a fast search and it came up that the 110 is a interframe knife, I'll have to go back and find out who said it, I'll take a wild guess what could be a interframe knife, I think that there a lot of knives that are all frame , no handles, or liners, even the lock is part of the frame, they must be a full frame knife, maybe if you put some kind of handle ,or inlay on one it becomes a interframe I would guess that it would take some kind of outer covering to make it a interframe. I'll see if I can find the source that said a 110 is a interframe, they spelled inter frame as one word, I don't know what is correct. George God bless
 
Hi,
I did post a reply a few days ago but it didn't show, I must have done something wrong,I was tired and it was very late, I don't remember where I put the notes, I'm going to do my best by memory. knife forums had a posting on the definition of a interframe knife, this will be my best memory, a interframe knife is a knife that has inlays, or handles in the frame, not on top of the frame,it has nothing to do with the locking system, and it can be a fixed blade knife as well as a folder,it also included all knives like the 110 and 112, it didn't matter if the frame was cut out like a 110, as long as the inlays didn't go outside of the frame, or wrap around it. I also found where Ron Lake had patents in the 1960's, I don't know how many or what for , it's a lot to read, I think he must have put a patent on everything he could.
There is too much in a google search to read on interframe, there has to be thousands , it looks like everyone uses one word interframe. George God bless
 
Hi, I think Bert is 100% correct, after looking at different postings what I found is, the interframe that Ron Lake had a patent on is a knife frame that the inlays are surrounded by the frame, also I think Ron Lake would be too young to get a patent before Buck made the 110. Maybe Gerber got around the interframe patent by leaving the bottom of the frame open and filling it with inlay material, I never saw a FS that was built in Germany, so I have no idea what they looked like, maybe Gerber changed it for the U.S.A it would make sense they have their own US patent number on all the FS knives.One thing you can be sure of is that there is a lot of bad information being posted, you realty have to dig deep to find answers, or just listen to someone who knows what they are talking about like Bert. George God bless
 
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