buck 184 vs. busse

[richstag]

I have always been happy with my buck 184. Can not seem to damage it using it as a knife. Never have owned a busse but am reading so much good about them.

So simply, how do they compare?

Thanks

 

[Buck_110]

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[richstag]

Busse's INFI steel is amazing! No other knife steel is tougher. Period! INFI can actually be bent to 30+ degree angles, and return to shape. INFI also bested ATS-34 in salt spray tests as well; resisting rust better.

Nobody loves Buck knives more than myself; however that INFI cannot be topped. The 184 is 425M steel. Comparing the two would be like watching Superman do battle with Mickey Mouse. The 425M will come out on top of INFI in the salt spray test though. Also, the 184 is a jointed fixed blade. As gnarly and honkin' as it looks, looks can be deceiving. A small nut inside the hollow handle is the only thing keeping that big blade attached to it. That junction has a vastly reduced amount of steel there, hence failure at that very area is almost certain before actual blade failure will occur. At the very least, bring a 124 or a 185 to the contest.

That sucks...but good to know. I always wondered how it is held together.

 

[richstag]

it cant be that fragile though, I have put it through alot of chopping and stabbing back in the woods. I am still not sold on a busse. I really want to buy one but cannot justify it.

Has anyone ever tested how strong the buck's joint is on purpose or by accident?

By the way, I am not trying to say it is as tough as a busse.

on the other hand, screw it, it has not failed me yet.

 

[Buck_110]

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[richstag]

The 184s actually had problems with the blades snapping right at the tang area. Buck annealed(softened) the steel to prevent this from happening; allowing bending before breaking would occur at that junction.

oh well, mine is still straight for now. I have plenty of other fixed blades if this one bends. Thanks for the info.

think i might start saving for a busse in the next couple of years thogh.

 

[GIRLYmann]

How they compare?
Like "bone China" against Steel.
Don't get me wrong, I luv that #184 but there is simply no comparison when up against a Busse!
Still, it would have been something if that often talked about remake of a #184 were to come about, super tough steel like that from Busse ought to be given due consideration, perhaps a collab even??!

 

[110 Dave]

dont get me wrong i love buck
i have had 124 / 184 / buck divers and 120's

i have also handled a busse and seen were it was used hard!
with not much evdance on the knife of it..
it is very thick steel blade
very heavy , a 124 / 184 is light next to it
personly i think the balde is lamated steel on a busse and not a single steel

have had and used both the 124 & 184
the saw back is not as good as it looks
the hollow handle it great for stroage of esectionals
or stinking it on a stick to stab with
a 124 with a real course file type cuts on the back would work better
for domestic camping a 124 tops then a 184 with busse hard to justify cost
now if i was a active duity GI again and chouseing again...

i would also check out a dark opps combat knife
less then a strider or a busse by 40% for 95% fo the knife..
yea i am talking of the one that was the subject of ridicule on another form here ...
i seen and handled the knives and was impressed that if i was going to buy a combat knife likely i would chouse them and the ones i saw were usa...
jest my humble opion for what its worth...

 

[richstag]

dont get me wrong i love buck
i have had 124 / 184 / buck divers and 120's

i have also handled a busse and seen were it was used hard!
with not much evdance on the knife of it..
it is very thick steel blade
very heavy , a 124 / 184 is light next to it
personly i think the balde is lamated steel on a busse and not a single steel

have had and used both the 124 & 184
the saw back is not as good as it looks
the hollow handle it great for stroage of esectionals
or stinking it on a stick to stab with
a 124 with a real course file type cuts on the back would work better
for domestic camping a 124 tops then a 184 with busse hard to justify cost
now if i was a active duity GI again and chouseing again...

i would also check out a dark opps combat knife
less then a strider or a busse by 40% for 95% fo the knife..
yea i am talking of the one that was the subject of ridicule on another form here ...
i seen and handled the knives and was impressed that if i was going to buy a combat knife likely i would chouse them and the ones i saw were usa...
jest my humble opion for what its worth...

A budy of mine bought a dark ops folder. I did not like it at all. too clunky, and the super dooder hadle inserts started falling apart in about a week. I also do not like the design of any of them.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

 

[richstag]

How they compare?
Like "bone China" against Steel.
Don't get me wrong, I luv that #184 but there is simply no comparison when up against a Busse!
Still, it would have been something if that often talked about remake of a #184 were to come about, super tough steel like that from Busse ought to be given due consideration, perhaps a collab even??!

that would be nice

 

[richstag]

Taking the pup for a walk through the woods... Taking the Randall model 1... dont tell me that is really a peice of junk and gonna break on me also...

 

[110 Dave]

A budy of mine bought a dark ops folder. I did not like it at all. too clunky, and the super dooder hadle inserts started falling apart in about a week. I also do not like the design of any of them
Thanks for the suggestion though.

i did ot like the folders either
was only refering to the combat type knives
and i did not like All of them either
i did see 3 combat knives that the owner and presdent of dark ops said were being shiped to a lot of miltary apo and fpo address and i liked all three
one in partictlur had a catch to use to can open sheet metal after makeing a starter hole and a primer cord notch cutter place
price was under 150 and much less then comparble combat knives i seen at the shot show...
so while some are not up to buck standards the 3 i looked at were..
i would send it back if it come apart...
poop happens

 

[richstag]

i did ot like the folders either
was only refering to the combat type knives
and i did not like All of them either
i did see 3 combat knives that the owner and presdent of dark ops said were being shiped to a lot of miltary apo and fpo address and i liked all three
one in partictlur had a catch to use to can open sheet metal after makeing a starter hole and a primer cord notch cutter place
price was under 150 and much less then comparble combat knives i seen at the shot show...
so while some are not up to buck standards the 3 i looked at were..
i would send it back if it come apart...
poop happens

Yeah my buddy is an Army Ranger and got his discount.... I just dont like any of the knives....

He did not care, he beats the crap out of knives...

 

[Stubai]

Both knives have their merits. The Buck 184 is a better diving knife than any of the Busse products. Also, if you want to keep your xanax or lortab dry, I'd give the nod to the 184. I would never dive with my basic 9 or my CT.

The tip structure on the 184 is a bit on the 'timid' side and I've seen more than one broken or bent and then re-profiled. The actual blade is fairly stout and would have decent lateral strength. I have used mine in the field and it does cut well but is a bit short to qualify as a real chopper. My 184 holds a decent edge and seems easy to sharpen. The tooling on the handle has torn up my hands with extended use. Some have used the 184 as a hammer. The sheath is as tough as a tank. Buck had some issues (early on) with the blades breaking close to the guard, but they fixed the problem. The hollow handle has a strong junction with the blade and should hold up to most applications. The saw on the back of the blade is useless on wood.

The Busse product features a super tough steel that takes a huge amount of abuse. I feel that the 184 is primarily a diving blade and will continue to be on my side when I exit the ship. In a pinch, I guess you could use the 184 as a small boat anchor.

 

[richstag]

Both knives have their merits. The Buck 184 is a better diving knife than any of the Busse products. Also, if you want to keep your xanax or lortab dry, I'd give the nod to the 184. I would never dive with my basic 9 or my CT.

The tip structure on the 184 is a bit on the 'timid' side and I've seen more than one broken or bent and then re-profiled. The actual blade is fairly stout and would have decent lateral strength. I have used mine in the field and it does cut well but is a bit short to qualify as a real chopper. My 184 holds a decent edge and seems easy to sharpen. The tooling on the handle has torn up my hands with extended use. Some have used the 184 as a hammer. The sheath is as tough as a tank. Buck had some issues (early on) with the blades breaking close to the guard, but they fixed the problem. The hollow handle has a strong junction with the blade and should hold up to most applications. The saw on the back of the blade is useless on wood.

The Busse product features a super tough steel that takes a huge amount of abuse. I feel that the 184 is primarily a diving blade and will continue to be on my side when I exit the ship. In a pinch, I guess you could use the 184 as a small boat anchor.

I agree. I found the sawteeth get clogged with wet wood even if you can get them on a small tree. I will stick with my trusty old $20 ontario machete for the real chopping for now.

Thanks for your opininions!

 

[110 Dave]

the 184 to me sujest a surival design more then any thing else!
campartment to store and place on stick to stab and saw teeth on
back side to insure what ever you stabed stayed stabed
grapleing hooks to hang in tree to keep food off ground
and compus and sharp stone
what else you need

combat personal defense is another topic and
buck does not make killing knives...

as a dive knife i have used the 122/124 & 184
and the intreapeds toped them all for stright diveing!
and i have been diveing from the early 70's...
again each has a primary use sujested by the design to me
but what works for one may not be best for another ///

 

[richstag]

the 184 to me sujest a surival design more then any thing else!
campartment to store and place on stick to stab and saw teeth on
back side to insure what ever you stabed stayed stabed
grapleing hooks to hang in tree to keep food off ground
and compus and sharp stone
what else you need

combat personal defense is another topic and
buck does not make killing knives...

as a dive knife i have used the 122/124 & 184
and the intreapeds toped them all for stright diveing!
and i have been diveing from the early 70's...
again each has a primary use sujested by the design to me
but what works for one may not be best for another ///

Thank you for the good words!