I stick by my original statement. "In camping without the need to make stuff I would prefer a Hatchett", not sure about what you meant here? You did not address your statement inferring 5160 was brittle, and of course a knife is lighter than an axe but we were discussing a Hatchett not an axe. Also not sure how much stuff you need to carve when camping, other than doing things to entertain yourself like making a cup or bowl. As far as survival goes, depends on where you are, and what size knife. Watching a series on You Tube " Tropical Rainforest" of a man in Vietnam who does everything with a squared off end machete, for lack of a better word, with a wooden handle. Had a similar Chinese made one that came out of a cache in Cambodia, except it had a rolled metal handle that you could stick a length of bamboo in if needed. Carried it for years, worked very well, then carried a parang I got in Brunei at the British Army Jungle Warfare school. Watched another good video on an African hunter gatherer who carried a panga, and of course machetes in South and Central America, where people still "Survive" and none of the above carry a Ray Mears type, bushcraft knife for survival, and they carve all sorts of stuff. I do like billhooks, I have a nice Finnish Martiini, with a wooden handle that just eats up wood. John
