Buck Hardness Test

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Ran across this review at Amazon. This fellow got his new Buck in S30V and promptly ruined the edge with what he refers to as his usual knife hardness test. I couldn't read it without laughing.


I had long wanted a S30v knife. I have heard so much about this special steel. I got the 2 5/8" version (slightly shorter than the 3 1/4" version). It arrived fine from Amazon and the knife was very nicely designed and built with no blade wobble. I have bought a number of Big5 Chinese knives (3" and less folders) when on sale and a 2 1/2" Chinese folder from Orchard Supply Hardware called "Coast" (Japanese made blade). I did my usual knife hardness test by lightly banging two different knives together, blade edge hitting the other knife's blade edge where edges were sharpened at about the same angle.

I was expecting the S30v Buck blade to cut the cheaper ($12 on sale vs. the $59 I paid for this Buck S30v) knife. The $12 Chinese made Browning folder took a very small cut in its blade but cut a noticeably deeper cut into the S30v Buck blade edge. So....what does this say? That the blade of the Chinese Browning-labeled folding knife is of harder temper than the Buck S30v knife. And thus probably the Browning folder will hold its straight razor style hollow ground blade sharpness better/longer than the more expensive USA made Buck.

So, while this S30v Buck is a very nice knife, I do not expect it will be able to retain a razor sharp edge as long as my $12 (sale price at Big5 Sporting Goods) Chines Browning folder (of simular size). And there is nothing about the Buck that says it is superior to my $13 OSH Coast folder either. Chinese made knives are improving in quality. Years back, the Chinese knives were less precise and even the "Smith & Wesson" branded Chinese folders, though of CNC fit and finish were softer blades, it is clear to me now that the better quality Chinese "cheap" knives are getting to the point where in blade material and temper, that they are competitive with USA knives.

Would I have bought this S30v Buck folder if I could have done it all over? Nope. A Chinese made Browing folder of at least the 2 3/4" blade model I have and the 2 5/8" est Chinese OSH Coast folder (literature says the blade from Seki City, Japan) are just as good as my $60 Buck S30v Vantage (for some reason the shorter Vantage was more money than the 3 1/4" Vantage).

Also, the 'assisted opener' works well in partially opening the blade on my Buck Vantage (2 5/8" blade length version of this 3 1/2" Buck Vantage), leaving the blade open about 45 degrees or so. But to open it all the way (180 degrees), requires either me use two hands or push the blade all the way open risking a cut as I use the one hand that opened it 45 degrees, to use that hand's thumb to push it open with the thumb VERY close to the razor sharp blade.

Other folders, use a "peg" which works well. IMO the "peg" of my cheaper Browning, etc folders works better than Buck's system.

All in all, I am disappointed and rate this knife, S30v steel and design as a B- or C+. I have owened Buck knives since a kid and I do not recommend this knife.
 
Now that is a nicely done review with some scientific testing:thumbup:
thanks for sharing!!
 
Personally I prefer the "peg" on the Kershaw blur. It is the best "peg" for opening my S30v blur. When my Blur arrived, I laid it on a rail road track and let a train run over it. I figured that because this particular S30V had a stonewash it must be far harder than rocks. And rocks seem to be harder than some trains, so that when a train hits the knife, it would easly derail the train. It must have been a chineese train because it destroyed my knife. Kershaw is obviously doing something wrong with there S30V.
 
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He didn't do a spine whack?? Amateur, I need to find his review and vote it down saying it was useless if he won't even do a simple spine whack.
 
Oh and if you read the comments for this guys review he replies to someone saying this.

"I have owned various Buck and multiple other knife makes for decades.
Knives have been a interest since I was young.
I also have multiple custom knives.
Hitting two knife edges together, if the blade shape and bevel is similar is a quick way to tell blade hardness.
Creates a small nick easily smoothed over.
But back to the Buck folder.
Opening design with the cut hole in the blade is inferior to the conventional small metal pegs most current such folders use.
Dumb design to need a "flick of the wrist" ala butterfly knife style.
Particularly when opening to use for peel an orange or cut a sandwich, etc in the company of others.
The "flick of the wrist" style opening of a knife in the presence of coworkers, guests, etc. can be intimidating.
The blade flipper used without "flick of the wrist" only opens the blade about 1/2 way.
The rest of the opening needs be with lateral pressure by a finger against the hole in the blade which is more awkward than the conventional transverse post thru the blade.
The conventional blade peg does not require wrist flicking or lateral finger pressure.
Yes, Buck is an excellent Company. Too bad they chose an inferior, two movement blade opening method.

BTW, the precision of machining of many current Chinese made knives is equal to, if not slightly better than Buck knives (though admittedly some Bucks are Chinese made).

Mr. "X"...I'm sure Buck appreciates your blind loyalty. But having had multiple decades of experience with Buck and quite a few other makes, I am more objective. And obviously know more than you about knives....and knife steel. A good blade is the right combination of steel and heat treatment.

I currently have folders from about six makes of knives, multiple models per Make. This Buck folder is a disappointment. Blade steel holds the edge less long than some of the "cheap" Chinese folders."

Than he promptly gets ripped a new one on why he's wrong. It was honestly quite an entertaining "review".
 
Wow! Mashing the blades together edge first as a test and then giving a grade ( B- or C+ ) . To be sure this has to be a joke post, right? Like the "rasta-frei" steel review? Hopefully......
 
What's wrong with this test? Any quality steel, you know, rostfrei or better, should be able to baton all the way through the blade of a knife made from really soft steel (e.g. CRK's S35VN or ZT's Elmax), right? ;)
 
Yeeaaahhhhhh....

You know, I'll still take my Bos heat treated S30v 110 over your crap $12 Chinese knife.
 
That was interesting. Reminded me of a video showing someone sawing a spyderco para 2 blade with another para 2.

This person obviously knows a thing or two about knives.

I hope English isn't that persons main language.
 
Wow, just wow...

Honestly wonder if he's trolling or doing it for kicks or something.
 
better test using the op's logic then would be too put the knife in a vise edge up and beat the hell out of it with a five pound ball peen hammer. if the edge dulls or the knife breaks then the hammer has better steel!!
 
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