I have said it once. I think I have said it twice. Well I will say it a third time. I saw a thread containing the 172. Man it is a nice knife. Very nice knife. I had my Sebenza and sold it off, I think I would go with this one before a Sebenza again, unless we get into damascus and mammoth bark, but that is another ball game. Anywho, the 172 is gorgeous. I can't wait to have one one day.