Buck Mayo Pass-around Review Thread

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Well, it took long enough, but the knife is finally here! I just picked it up from the mailroom about an hour ago, so here's my initial review. I can't provide my own pic since my camera recently went belly up, so here's one I stole from 1sks (hope you don't mind Spark, it's for a good cause :) )

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At first glance, I was very impressed. The opening was a bit stiff, but an application of Tuf-Glide smoothed it out immensely. It glides open now. The holes in the handle are evenly spaced and help to lighten up the knife and improve the grip. It's a very lightweight knife, actually lighter than my Camillus EDC, which is only slightly smaller. The blade has nearly perfect grinds, they're very even and the satin finish is also very well done. It's also ridiculously sharp, even by my standards, which are very high. They even got the edge bevels even, at least reasonably so. I'm not breaking out a micrometer, but from eyeballing it they look to be about the same. In short, this is one of the best factory edges I have ever seen. The Buck and Bos logos on the blade are also tastefully small and well positioned, one of my gripes about the EDC is the oversized logo and writing on the blade. Buck's logo is also much darker, which I consider a plus because it makes it look more professional.

That's everything I like about it, but there are a few little things that I'm not so fond of. The clip isn't bad per se, but it's way too tight for use with jeans and it's just very plain. I like the EDC's clip because it looks like it's integrated into the design, while Buck's just looks like an afterthought. It's also positioned for tip down, right hand carry, which works well for me. Some will surely complain about the lack of a lefty option, which is certainly a valid gripe. Perhaps Buck will offer one in the future. One other minor complaint I have is that the lock bar release area is a little too sharp (the area circled in blue in the pic attached below) I'd like to see it beveled to relieve pressure on the thumb when you are releasing the lock. This is really just nitpicking, but hey, that's what I do best ;) .

These last two things aren't so minor though. I'm guessing the handles are cast, because there is a small ridge of metal sticking off of the top of the tip of the lock bar, if that makes any sense. It's in the area circled in red in the pic below. This is a pretty big flaw in a $180 knife, IMO. The other problem is that the lock has a very, very small amount of vertical play. When I grab the tip of the knife and wiggle it up and down, I can feel the blade give slightly. The lock is very secure, the lock bar's face is fully engaged along the tang. If I push the lock bar all the way across the tang with my thumb, the vertical play disappears. I think the lock bar tension isn't strong enough, I could probably fix it myself if I took the knife apart but I hesitate to do that since it's part of a pass-around and not mine. So what do you all think I should do? Send it back to Buck for evaluation and repair, or take matters into my own hands? If my pass-around compatriots are willing, I'd rather send the knife in to Buck so we know it's done right. Or we could ask if they mind me trying a little at home repair. I'll do whatever you think is best, let me know.

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This has all been posted in the original pass-around thread as well, I just wanted to expose it to a broader audience. I hope you all find it somewhat informative, I'll add more once I've carried it for a few days.
 
Kurt,
Mine has the same tiny vertical play. I agree that it seems the tension is too light, but it shouldn't fail. I was concerned at first with this, until I was at a machine shop of a friend. We carefully wrapped the blade in clean leather (hey, it's MY knife) and locked the blade in a vice. I put about 60lbs of pressure against the lock. No problem. It didn't loosen up either. Mine does not have the "flashing" that would indicate a cast piece. I'm not saying that they're not cast, but mine doesn't have the evidence. I pre-ordered mine pretty early, and I've been carrying it everyday. My complaint is that it's too pretty. I find myself babying the knife. I'm trying to stop that, and just USE IT!
Incidentally, my name it Kurt also.
 
Mine does not have any blade play. Nor is there any "flashing" visible anywhere. And although the lock release area does not have "rounded" edges, I have not experienced any problems or discomfort with it.

It is one sharp knife, in more ways than one. It is by far the sharpest blade I have ever seen from the factory. The blade grind is well done, and the edge bevel, though not "perfect" is still quite good.
 
Mine came the other day and I've been playing around with it quite a bit. I'm no knife expert by any means, but I tried to test for any vertical blade play like you described Kurt and mine doesn't seem to budge at all. The lockup seems extremely nice to me.

About the rough edge that causes discomfort when disengaging the lock...I just figured you knife gurus would have calloused thumbs on both hands from opening and closing all sorts of blades. I figure in a matter of days my thumb won't be feeling anything.

All in all I think this knife rocks so far. Seems sharp as heck and I really love the finish. I bought this knife the same time as a BM 770 and I can already tell that the Buck TNT is going to be seeing a whole heck of a lot more pocket time than the BM.

Anyways thats just my 2 cents worth.

Josh
 
Thanks for the input guys.

Kurt (small world huh :) ), I agree that there's no way the lock is going to fail. However, for a $180 knife, I expect better. You're right, it sure is pretty, but it's a utilitarian kind of pretty, which I think is the best kind. I'm becoming more and more impressed with this blade shape and edge geometry, it cuts like no tomorrow.

jwade and Don, I'm glad to hear they're not all that way, although it seems like a disturbingly large percentage are. My complaint about the lock release is just nitpicking, but I feel it's worth mentioning. Attending to little details like this is what really sets apart the good knives and the great knives. This is a good knife, but with a little more attention to details it could be a great knife. JMO of course, but it's the only one that really matters to me :) .
 
Kurt. I'm still a major novice in the world of knives. So your opinion and others here on the board are what im reading so I can form opinions of my own soon :)
You and many other forum members have handled countless knives and can compare one to another quite well. I don't have much to compare this knife too so far, but from using it around the house for a few days now it seems pretty nice.

Hopefully my collection and knowledge will expand and I'll be able to offer more well thought out comments and critiques.
 
I'm trying to resist buying one of these.

How are the handle ergonomics?
Handle thick enough?
Handle too slick?
How do you think your hand would hold up if you used this folder fairly hard?
How about side-to-side play (flex in the handles and/or bushings)?

Has anyone put a sharpening job on yet? Can you tell if the S30V is good and hard or not?
 
jwade, thanks for the compliments, I'm seriously blushing here. As they say, I owe it all to Bladeforums. OK, maybe not what they say, but it's what I say. Most of my knife knowledge has come from the forums, and while I'm far from an expert, I've managed to pick up the basics. There's no reason to feel your opinion is invalid because you aren't an 'expert' though; all an expert is is someone who has a keen interest in a subject coupled with experience in the same. You're here so you have the interest, and experience only comes with time. Inexperienced opinions can actually be more relevant than those of 'experts' because experts tend to have prejudices while newbies are taking it all in for the first time and so tend to have less bias. So go ahead and post your opinion and don't let any 'expert' talk down to you because of it. It's all just personal preference anyway.

rdangerer, I'll try to break down my further impressions after carrying the knife for the last few days. Here ya go;

Handle Ergonomics: The shape of the handle is great. There's a reason Tom can't make these fast enough. It's a simple but very curvy and comfortable shape, and it fits my large hand well even though it's a smaller knife. Of course I'm used to the handle of my EDC which is only a little smaller, so I may be biased.

Handle thickness: I think it's just about right for a medium duty folder. The slabs are contoured rather than flat, so it feels thicker than it actually is. The clip doesn't get in the way of my grip either, at least not obtrusively so. I've recently noticed this on my Al Mar SERE 2000, the clip on it just sticks out too far and digs into my palm. The TNT seems just about right to me in this area.

Handle texture: It looks to me like the slabs are bead blasted, although I could be wrong. They aren't slick at all, nor are they abrasive. The holes really aid in grip retention too, in addition to making it look pretty :) . Not to sound like a broken record, but for me at least the texture of the handle is just about right for an EDC. For a hard use folder I'd rather have a rougher finish, but that's what the Striders and Extrema Ratios are for.

Extended use: I haven't done this, but I do think I could see one problem if you were using this folder over a long period on a tough cutting job. The edges of the handle are cut off too sharply for comfort, when I squeeze the handle tightly the edges dig into my palm. I'm sure you'll understand the reference when I say it needs to be dehorned. If I win this at the end of the pass-around I intend to smooth out the edges with 2000 grit sandpaper, I think it will improve the overall comfort considerably.

Horizontal play: Nonexistent. I test this by releasing the lock and leaving the blade open, then putting horizontal pressure on the blade with my other hand. I've found that if the lock is engaged it can mask horizontal play. This one doesn't move at all, it's extremely tight yet still opens smoothly. Really nice job in this area.

About the sharpening I can't say, I haven't dulled it yet. I'm going to strop it a little before I send it on it's way, but I'm sure others have more experience with S30V than I. This is the first knife I've used with it so I'm still learning. It's heat treated by Paul Bos though, so I've no doubt that it will perform with the best.
 
rdangerer, Roadrunner's comments about the handle ergonomics are right on what I would have said. Good handle size and shape, good grip. The holes do help. It is a slim knife, so like he said, under extended hard use I can see how the edges might cause discomfort. I have not put mine to any hard use like this, so I can't say. For the same reason I have not had cause to resharpen, either.

The specs say 3-1/8" blade, but mine is actually 3-3/16", with a 3" actual cutting edge, not counting curvature. The handle is 4-3/16" long. The handle is almost 5/16" thick at the back, and like Roadrunner said, the handle is contoured, so it is wider than this in the middle of the handle.
 
Kurt (Roadrunner), thanks for the review and info on your Buck/Mayo. On your question bout whether to rework the knife or send it back to Buck for review/repair, I vote for sending it back to Buck. This will allow me to review the knife and not only correct any issue with it, but will assist me in identifying areas of (manufacturing) improvement for the product itself. Send it to: Buck Knives, P.O. Box 1267, El Cajon, CA 92020, Attention Bill Keys. I wil review the knife and make sure any problems are corrected.

Bill Keys
Manager, Engineering/Q.A.
Buck Knives
billk@buckknives.com
 
Sorry Bill, the knife went to Gary Hudson, the next in line, just a few minutes ago. The other pass-around participants and I agreed to pass it around as-is so we can all get a feel for it, then the winner can send it in for service if he so chooses. I'll be sure to direct everyone to your post so they know where to send it when the time comes. There are eight more in line behind me, so it will be a few months at the earliest. Thank you for staying on top of things though, I appreciate such courteous service from a manufacturer. I'll be sure to keep in touch if there are any further problems with this knife.
 
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