Buck Slimline - Another sad data point

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Got told day before that we were going to a b-day party for a nephew.

He works in the (light) trades and fishes. We discussed just getting him a gift card for a big box fishing/hunting store but I suggested I get him a knife. My wife agreed as it was more "personal".

I didn't have any of my own modified preferred traditional knives laying around (not Buck) and I figured that being a young guy, he would prefer something more modern looking.

So I trotted down to my local *Mart store and got him a Slimline.

He was very happy with the gift and he's not a knife knut so as far as the gift thing went, it went well enough I guess. He's happy and I suspect the knife will be serviceable for a long enough period that he won't think less of me for it.

But towards the end of party, I asked him if I could see it (since it's sold in bubble pack it's impossible to inspect ahead of time).

WOW is all I can say. I've handled a good number of lock backs in my day but never, ever have I seen a sloppier one. The blade had a ton and I mean a ton of vertical play. The lock bar bounced up and down like a trampoline and the even the nice big pivot rivet/pin thing moved up and down visibly in the frame.

Yes, I know I theoretically "could" inspect the knife before buying it but a) the *Mart store could barely find the time to unlock the case for me, much less let me cut open and inspect the items before buying them and b) I'm busy and was rushed and really have an expectation that I can buy an item like this uninspected.

And yes, I know I could return it to the vendor but a) my nephew won't be disappointed too much and I certainly wasn't going to be a bummer to him by telling him the knife I just gave him was junk and b) I have no expectation that any of the others at *Mart were going to be any better.

And yes, I suppose I could take back the gift from my nephew and send it to Buck but at this point, it's just not worth the time or postage. There are other brands that offer better modern folders in this price point.

You know, I told myself I would steer clear of Buck and for the sake of old memories, I gave them another try. Will be a very, very, very long time before I try another.

Seriously Buck, your stuff is weak.
 
Pinnah,
We Buck nuts have watched you have your feet in many companies shoes and other forums, and find no fault in that. You have contributed some good points and discussion so if you totally leave our world we will be at a loss. We hear your type of complaints every so often and my gut feeling it is usually tied to bubble packaging which I dislike. Tied to that because you can't check things out before opening the wallet. Most here will defend Buck in the manners you spoke of. But, will also shake our heads wishing no such problems ever were created. I have no answers for you. All I can say is good luck and drop in when feel the desire.

300Bucks Moderator
 
I have several Buck knives and like them a lot. I just got a Buck Alpha Dorado in S30V and it a dandy also. :thumbup:
 
300Bucks,

Thanks the response.

It makes me sad. Real sad. I've owned a Buck since the 70s and want real hard to be able to like current Bucks more.

I'm not dropping my sadness here to disturb or disrupt. But I know/hope that in so far as this forum is closely followed by BCCI members and in so far as BCCI (and this forum) has any influence with Buck, somebody here can carry the message to Buck.

I'm not as sanguine that the problem is primarily with the bubble wrap, which is certainly a contributing factor. But, I will let the regulars on this sub-forum work through all of that as they wish.

My only concluding remark is that I want to like Buck enough that was willing to drop $$s on them again in this case. I've seen and handled too many knives in this price range that reliably avoid these sorts of design and/or manufacturing issues though. Companies go through ebbs and flows. Let's hope that the tides will turn for Buck.
 
My Spitfire will do the same thing if I grab the open blade and wiggle it up and down (didn't realize it until I pulled it out and really tried to move the blade). No side to side play and everything functions like it should. Would I prefer it have no movement at all, yes. Will I quit carrying it, no. It still does everything it's supposed to and I don't see that changing because of this "play".
 
I think I would send it back to Buck, and the reason is two-fold. To let Buck know it slipped out of the factory, and shouldn't have made it past quality control, and to have the money you spent on the knife be rectified with a proper replacement, or the repaired knife to "as new" condition. Bucks warranty is superior, but there is the cost of postage, added to your initial purchase cost. Good luck, let us know what you decide.
 
I've always gravitated towards fixies, but the past couple of years I've gotten into folders and have seen these issues happen with most manufacturers. Even on more expensive knives like spyderco and benchmade. Considering the volume of production, hourly wages, and manufacturing cost vs the price of knives I understand how this happens. 110s and 112s have a consistently high standard. I'm guessing because that design has been around so long they've got it down to a science. Aside from those, the only folders I have seen come consistently perfect are the RATs. I'm sure they have an occasional lemon too.

In the context of industry standard I've been very happy with my Bucks. My vantages all needed a little fine tuning, but it's easy to do and given the price point I don't mind. Buying a folder is like buying a car, it's gonna require some maintenance. That said, I would be unhappy if a new car needed work right away so I understand peoples frustrations. Especially when it's a gift. But it is what it is so I never buy folders as gifts unless I have time to work on them or replace them. I've been wanting a spitfire or slimline, but the lock rock issue is not something I could fix so I'm holding off until it's resolved.

Buck has the best customer service in the industry and I respect that a great deal. There are companies like Esee with great replacement warranties, but as far as dealing with the people no one holds a candle to Buck. We all make mistakes, how we handle them is what makes us the people we are. How we handle other peoples mistakes is also a part of character. Are there circumstances where I feel inclined to walk away? Sure, but I try to do so with class rather than take my ball and stomp off the court.
 
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I fixed all of my own problems,I do not buy any more knives online,I don't buy any knives in clamshell packaging,and I don't buy any knives until i've opened the box and inspected the knife until i'm satisfied.I have left many knives behind in the store since doing so.Sooner or later the knives make it back to the company and they can see their mistakes and work on fixing them.
 
First I have a ton of Bucks and swear by them and consider them one of the best USA makers out there. BUT I was at Dick's yesterday and saw the 721 slim line in silver for around $40. I was in a Walmart today and saw it marked for 50% less. That turned out to be a mis label and it was only 25% less but I was at the cashier so I got it. I just came home and open it, I am very disappointed. I may see if Walmart will take it back with a ripped open package.....Very bad front to back blade play which is really the entire blade and back spring moving freely in the frame, and an over all "cheap" feel...I am surprised by this one and not in a good way.....
 
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I bought one today with similar problems. Blade was loose and I had to tighten the already tight pivot to fix it. The lock system is weak to the point where I can flick the knife open with a good wrist snap. It. Is not held closed with much tension.

My last Buck was the massive Tops/Buck folder which was spot on. And I am happy with the vantage knives too. I don't know if a trip to Buck can fix this one.
 
Actually I fixed the issues myself. The pivot screw assembly on the lock was very loose. Now the lock sticks just a little on release but will work out in time. The whole lockup mechanism is riddled with overly polished rounded surfaces. Not what I expected from a US made Buck, or any of the China made Bucks I have recently.
 
Mine is not as much loose as the entire locking system moves front to back. The play I experienced is in the design on this one....
 
My lock bar is tight but the pivot hole on the blade is a bit oversized. Sounds like the pivot on the bars can be as well. I'll be attacking some pesky cardboard soon so we'll see how it survives. :D
 
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