Buck Strider folder clarification needed...

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Thanks in advance.

My confusion is I have a Buck Strider Tarani model # SB4.T except with ATS-34 and the model listed on Bucks website is 420. When I Google the model number I get a link to Strider knives with the specs I have. I tried the link from the homepage and it isn't working.

Hearing of the discollaboration has me confused. Who I should send this to for repair or replacement?
Did Buck originally offer the ATS/SB4.T or was this Strider's all along?

Anyway I need to send it in for lock failure if you wack the spine against your palm, as well as little rust patches showing up on the blade spine and inside the screw heads. It's stored with the rest of my collection and they are fine so it's not an enviormental issue. I bought this from a dealer here in CT back in Dec. IIRC and I can't say for certain where he got it but is NIB.
 
Its a Buck issue not Strider. They made some in ATS34 and some in the 420. There are differences and I just don't recall them at this time.

STR
 
Thanks for letting me know about the spine wack test. Mine is doing the same thing.
 
If it says BUCK on the blade, send it to us. That makes it simple right? :)
It should not have rust on it and we need to take care of that. We can also address the lock issue.

Man I hate the spine wack test...but I want to be open minded about this. What real life knife task does the spine wack simulate? I can find a liner lock that might fail the spine wack test but passes tests that put a load on the lock until failure.
My standard reply has always been to "keep the sharp side down" and everything will be ok. Sure, there may be some normal side to side torque-ing going on while using a knife and the lock should hold up to that but it really is a slicing tool, not a hammer.
I'm not trying to be a butt head about this really, even though it sounds like it.
I respectfully ask to be enlightened.
 
pardon my lack of knife testing knolage :::::>
but what is a 'spine wack ' test? how is it done abd why would some one do it and would it happen in real use...
i have had locks fail whin i am putting presure on the back end of an knife and the lock open but it was from wedging down to cut witht eh front half or point of the blade under an bone to cut cartlage or other bone apart as i have also wacked the back of the blade with a small wood malate to cut hip joint apart..
mostly i have tips break as i use then to cut on wood in carving out a sharp corner or pushing in wood filler in a gap,,, but spine wack ?
oh wel i guess i will learn some thing
 
never cut the hip joint,cut around the bung hole about four inches into the body cavaity tie off with string,leather,green vine etc.... one without thorns and pull.... pee bag and and bung hole will come out clean no spillage of pellets or pee....no chipped ,bent blade or cut hands.
 
Dave,,,open the blade....sharp edge up... whack the back side of the blade on something to see if it closes.
 
Joe Houser said:
Man I hate the spine wack test...but I want to be open minded about this. What real life knife task does the spine wack simulate?
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1. Stabbing at something, and hitting a hard solid object (hopefully by accident).
2. Dropping the knife.
3. Any other closing force exceeding the weight hung on the blade during standard tests (hard impacts create extremely strong stress), most likely due to a crash-like even rather than slow bending. Holding up 150 pounds sounds like a strong lock, but hitting a solid object might result in a stronger shock.

You could ask the same question about any test. All of them test a specific action. The slow application of weight is also not an everyday task, so whack tests are not unique in that regard. The biggest problem I see with a whack test is people obviously don't all put the same force to the blade.

The thing I DO like about the whack test, on a solid object like wood rather than a palm (probably any of us agrees that failing a palm whack is not right), is it applies a sharp shock to the mechanism which produces a different effect than slow pressure. This is most different with objects of a springy nature, like a split liner lock. If you photograph an object at impact with a high speed camera, you can see odd behavior that doesn't happen at slow speeds (bouncing effects, wave patterns, and slight differences in bending shapes). Because liner locks are sensitive to the exact angle at which the liner touches the blade, impact failure should be considered.

I have read about guns being tested for drop failure. It seems like any dangerous object with moving parts might deserve it.

A brief note on the side, the standard hanging test also doesn't account for imperfect direction of force under real use. I would like to see what the weight limit is if the blade is pressed left and right while the weight is applied. Almost all knives have a little wiggle, if not from a loose pivot (it's there even if hands don't feel it easily) then sometimes from handle flexing.
 
When they shock test firearms they're usually verifying that a loaded one won't discharge do to a drop or shock. A knife lock releasing under shock typically does not have the same safety implications. Unless you happen to have your hand wrapped around the handle and the blade actually tries to fully close with some force. But if the impact occurs to the spine and you've got your hand wrapped around it at the time of impact then you're hand is going to absorb most of the G's. anyway.
I guess I still haven't been able to relate this "test" to a real world application at least MY real world.
With the amount of press that this "test" seems to receive it sure would be nice to hear from someone that has experienced a lock failure due to a shock like the spine whack test is supposed to simulate.
Mike
 
Evil Eye Earl said:
never cut the hip joint,cut around the bung hole about four inches into the body cavaity tie off with string,leather,green vine etc.... one without thorns and pull.... pee bag and and bung hole will come out clean no spillage of pellets or pee....no chipped ,bent blade or cut hands.
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yea a more experanced skinner showed me that many years ago ...
works great jest as you say ...
however i have not been hunting in soooooo longgggg that i likely have to be retrained compleatly yep like a green horn again...
sleep to many times sence i did it and mind seems to not want to rember ... maby in florida i will bore hunt some....
 
MikeSEA said:
When .... A knife lock releasing under shock typically does not have the same safety implications. Unless you happen to have your hand wrapped around the handle and the blade actually tries to fully close with some force. But if the impact occurs to the spine and you've got your hand wrapped around it at the time of impact then you're hand is going to absorb most of the G's. anyway.
I guess I still haven't been able to relate this "test" to a real world application at least MY real world.
With the amount of press that this "test" seems to receive it sure would be nice to hear from someone that has experienced a lock failure due to a shock like the spine whack test is supposed to simulate.
Mike
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well the only thing i can imagen is if you use the blade as a handle and hamering with the back of the frame.....
 
This is no way downing Buck, and this has happened with other brands as well, but If I'm buying a locking knife, I don't want it closing unless I press the lock. PERIOD! If I wanted a slip joint I would have bought one. Anyway that is my .02 and either THIS knife will be simply sent in for repair like Joe mentioned or trade it off. By the way, the test that I did was a very firm but light wack on the heel of my boot.
 
You don't hear about the "spine whack" test very often anymore. I remember it being THE issue several years ago.

Maybe with the new locks and the increased awareness to liner lock failures, the makers have improved the locks and it is not as big of an issue.

I have never been a proponent of this particular test, either. I always think of people putting their knives on a table with the blade hanging over the edge and beating the crap out of it on the spine to see if the lock fails.

However, I do believe that it indicates whether a lock has a tendency to slide off the back of a tang on a liner lock. I don't think that you have to go to some of the extremes that people have done in the past.

I have had a liner lock slip off the tang and the blade almost close on my fingers-just like a slip joint can do while you are using it under normal circumstances-like cutting through a branch and the blade binds in the wood. Yes, a fixed blade would not have this happen!

In summary, I think that there is a certain merit it knowing that the lock will hold during normal useage. If you are using it in extreme use, then it needs to hold up to extreme use. The Strider line of knives-Buck and Strider versions- are marketed as extreme use knives, so they should hold up to a higher standard than a gentlemen's knife that will be used to open envelopes and cut string.
 
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