Buck Tempest...opinions from the club

[intrepid1]

Guys
I hope you dont mind me sharing this with you.
I took my new Tempest to my local shooting club this Saturday gone for a show & tell.
Suprisingly, not many had seen the knife or knew of its existence, which I think is mainly down to careful promotion of the knifes opening system here.
After some compulsive flicking...

The verdict :-
They loved it & thought it great value for money.:thumbup:
That included a couple of serving police officers who could not put the Tempest down..flick flick flick..etc
One other had tried a SOG twitch & felt the opening & general quality to be superior.

The downside :-
Every member wanted one but felt it was flick knife / switch blade by any other name.
Technically it does not fall foul of the wording of our switchblade laws here.
All accepted that there was no separate button holding the knife back within the handle but all agreed that the spirit of the law had been torn to shreds !

Subjective conclusions about EDC in UK :-
Those 40 plus yr old laws in our country were always poorly thought out & were just waiting to be swamped by modern production technology.
Fact is, the Tempest is illegal to carry in the UK just because of its liner lock, never mind the assistance of opening.
You have to justify good cause to carry here.
A locking blade knife in an Urban public environment would be difficult to justify imho.
For this reason alone, the UKPK from spyderco came into existence.
Slip joint (very high effort) & blade length under 3 inches..!

That aside, bloody brilliant.

Cheers
Intrepid1

 

[Maverick4546]

It is a brilliant knife. But according to my local policeman its not a switchblade. But still illegal to carry cos its a a locking knife.

I asked Joe to have a popular design like the Dorado or the 112 but non lockable for the UK/European market. I am sure that would be a winner. A single bladed hunter but non lockable and the same blade size as the 112/Dorado.

I appreciate the Tempest and others that use the ASAP opening mech as not illegal. As they are available to purchase legally in the UK... unlike the classic switchblade/bullet knife or gravity knife.

This may all change tomorrow of course as our namby pamby government becomes aware of them... but for the moment they are not illegal to own and not illegal to buy - unlike the switchblade... just illegal to carry. But then what decent knife isnt?

 

[Maverick4546]

What pisses me off Intrepid1 is that people in the states... go into a Walmart (ASDA) over here... and can buy a selection of Bucks..

Have you *ever* been into a ASDA store and buy a Buck 112 Founders Edition? No.... becuase our stupid government and its typical knee jerk reaction to a "knife problem" or a "knife subculture" over here.

Knives are not dangerous... any type. Being switchblades, ASAPs or any other type of knife they are a tool. Its the user of the tool thats dangerous. I have carried a knife in the UK for over 20 years... I have fallen fowl of the law before now.

The sooner that this government realize that its people that are dangerous and not knives the better.

Oh and as for outlawing lock knives? well.. the assholes who carry them for harming others dont listen to the law anyway.

 

[Maverick4546]

And also..

2.9" blade legal..

3.1" blade illegal...

You cannot kill someone with a sub 3" blade? I think you can!

 

[intrepid1]

Hi Maverick
Yes, its all down to wording of law & the spirit of the law.
I agree, totally legal to buy & own "for now".
I also remember Balisongs being legal to buy & own until I was some 20 yrs old.
They have been a prohibited weapon for nearly 20 yrs & current ownership within your home is only allowed.
My Dad was a long serving Metrolpolitan police officer & he despairs at the current UK climate.
I do hope common sense prevails with the ever increasing legislature within the UK.
Inguenuity seem to be rewarded here by banning everything.

I would bet that 100% of us here are enthusiasts of useful or beautiful sharp things.
Most of the UK knife related issues are undertaken with cheap kitchen knives available for a couple of ££ or half as many $$.
Its easy for the beaurocrats to blame the tool rather than who is holding it !:jerkit:

I believe the knife blade length for legal justified carry here was arrived at by consultation with home office pathology experts & average anatomical data for human vitals.
It should also be noted that a 3 inch blade such as drop point can be used to dress a medium sized deer !

BTW, Bucks mini & full sized Alpha hunter got a great writeup in this months Shooting sports magazine, a UK publication.
Page 16 fyi.

Cheers
Intrepid1

 

[chickentrax]

The sooner that this government realize that its people that are dangerous and not knives the better.

We in the Colonies have been saying that about "guns" for decades...but politicians aren't interested in facts, only votes...if it wasn't "guns", it would be knives, or bows, or swords...anything... :grumpy:

 

[Maverick4546]

I believe the knife blade length for legal justified carry here was arrived at by consultation with home office pathology experts & average anatomical data for human vitals.

What a bunch of :jerkit:

The jugular vein is less than three inches below the surface of the skin. People kill them selves with small razor blades..

The ruling that really gets me is that lock knives are not allowed to be carried. I prefer to use a lock knife and not have the knife fold on me and injuring myself.
And like you say that most knife attacks are done with normal kitchen knives or utility knives which dont cost anything much to buy.

The way our :jerkit: government is going we will be all on plastic cutlery and drinking out of plastic bottles.

 

[MikeSEA]

What a bunch of :jerkit:

The jugular vein is less than three inches below the surface of the skin. People kill them selves with small razor blades..

The ruling that really gets me is that lock knives are not allowed to be carried. I prefer to use a lock knife and not have the knife fold on me and injuring myself.
And like you say that most knife attacks are done with normal kitchen knives or utility knives which dont cost anything much to buy.

The way our :jerkit: government is going we will be all on plastic cutlery and drinking out of plastic bottles.

Credit cards, pens/pencils, eyeglass temples (arms), etc. are all readily available, perfectly legal to carry anywhere you go and lethal in the hands of a person with a little training. I wonder when they'll decide to make those articles illegal.