Bucklite Max Medium As EDC Pocket Knife?

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Hello everyone,
I was looking for a pocket knife for EDC and I think the best one for me is the Buck Bucklite Max (Medium). It's American made, and lightweight and overall a good knife, plus it's only $19. The other knife I was considering was the Bantam but i'm not sure if that knife is made in America. Even though it's $19 that's still a lot of money for me and I was wondering if you guys think it's a good knife for EDC, or if theres anything better for around the same price.
Thanks
 
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There may be some older made in China models floating around. Just make sure you get one of the newer ones that are U.S. made.

I don't own one, but I think it would be a very serviceable knife. Not the smoothest, nor strongest, nor best steel, but still a good knife that will serve you well if you don't abuse it. Buck has a nice warranty if you happen to get a lemon, which I've never heard of in the case of the Bantam.
 
Depends on what you're using them for. They lack metal frames and can loosen up considerably if you use them to do hard cutting. I owned a medium and a large and both developed blade wobble in less than a year. The Bantams have a reputation for being worse.

I switched to the French made Opinel. Much tougher knife and I say that as a guy who's owned a Buck 110 since the 70s
 
These knives have FRN (fiber reinforced nylon) handles. At least, the newest ones do. FRN is stronger than your average thermoplastic, so they are about as good it gets for plastic handled knives.

If the pivot pin gets loose, you can re-tighten it with a ball peen hammer. It's easy to do, so don't worry about how hard you use the knife. I just tightened up my old Bucklite 444 (which has a thermoplastic handle) and it worked great. That sucker is like new now. Here is a video on how to tighten the pin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySqwxPmF4-k
 
Hello everyone,
I was looking for a pocket knife for EDC and I think the best one for me is the Buck Bucklite Max (Medium). It's American made, and lightweight and overall a good knife, plus it's only $19. The other knife I was considering was the Bantam but i'm not sure if that knife is made in America. Even though it's $19 that's still a lot of money for me and I was wondering if you guys think it's a good knife for EDC, or if theres anything better for around the same price.
Thanks

I like the knife and think it would hold up well enough to usual cutting tasks. I believe both knives (Current Production) are US made. In the same price range, maybe a Buck Vantage Select would be good as well. I found a few that were about $20-$25. They have steel liners and the same 420HC blades.
 
In the same price range, maybe a Buck Vantage Select would be good as well. I found a few that were about $20-$25. They have steel liners and the same 420HC blades.

I think this is is good advice. For a hair under $30, the Ecolite 112 or 110 are worth a look as well. But, if you don't want to play the escalation game, the Bantams are fine.
 
These knives have FRN (fiber reinforced nylon) handles. At least, the newest ones do. FRN is stronger than your average thermoplastic, so they are about as good it gets for plastic handled knives.

If the pivot pin gets loose, you can re-tighten it with a ball peen hammer. It's easy to do, so don't worry about how hard you use the knife. I just tightened up my old Bucklite 444 (which has a thermoplastic handle) and it worked great. That sucker is like new now. Here is a video on how to tighten the pin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySqwxPmF4-k

I think there are 4 issues afflicting the current Bucks that can't be addressed just by tightening the pivots.

1) Buck moved to smoother feeling bronze pivot bushings several (many) years ago. They used to use steel. Under very hard use, the bushing can deform creating slop.

2) Buck is fine blanking the parts and, I suspect, has eliminated some finishing steps on the lockbar and blade at the interface. Guys I know who I trust and who work on Bucks report more slop in the interface on the newer knives compared to those of the good ol days. Can lead to the vertical blade play often reported in newer Bucks.

3) The pivots holes on the linerless models can elongate with hard use. In talking with Bucks warranty department about my two worn out Bucklite Max folder, they cited a general flimsiness with the plastic handled models compared to their more traditional designs.

4) The plastic models have more flexibility. Under very hard pressure, the handles can deform enough to allow the lock to give out. You can find YouTube vids of the Bantams buckling. Buck fan-boys will say this is "abuse" but old timers will note this is how 110s and 112s have been used. Even the old Bucklites, which were made with more rigid (if brittle) plastic were better in this regard.


IMO, if the OP wants a Buck in this size range that can be pocket carried, it's better to save the money for a Buck 500 Duke.

Buck 500 by Pinnah, on Flickr

It combines the slim pocket friendly profile with an all metal construction at the bolsters. My favorite Buck by far.

If the OP wants a tough but pocketable EDC folder, my suggestion would be Opinel.

This Inox #8 is a much tougher and more reliable knife than my Bucklite Maxes were (horrible) or my Ecolite 112 (better but not as good as the Opinel).


EDC with lanyards by Pinnah, on Flickr

If the OP is dead set on a Buck but wants to keep price down, my recommendation would be to stick with much older Bucks off of auction sites. In particular, I would stick with knives with 440C blades, not because I prefer 440C but that's a pretty good bet of staying in the right time frame to get the best chance of a good one. IME anyway.
 
An Opinel is quite a different knife from what the OP was interested in. I'll take your word for it that it is stronger than every knife mentioned here, since I do not own one.

At the end of the day, it's a plastic handled, linerless knife, which I'm sure is not as strong as knives with metal liners/bolsters. Is it OK for EDC tasks? If you ask me, I say 100% yes, but I'd carry my Valox handled 444. I will learn something if it ever broke, but that day hasn't come yet.

Cooper9, are you still around? It'd be nice to hear from you.
 
At the end of the day, it's a plastic handled, linerless knife, which I'm sure is not as strong as knives with metal liners/bolsters. Is it OK for EDC tasks? If you ask me, I say 100% yes, but I'd carry my Valox handled 444. I will learn something if it ever broke, but that day hasn't come yet.

Depends on what EDC tasks mean to the user, I suppose.

If those tasks include forward slicing cuts through materials that necessitate the amount of force that I associated with a full 4 finger grip on this size knife (e.g. bend cutting saplings or branches, cutting thick rope, carving feather sticks) than I would say no, the Bucklite Max folders (and sadly the Ecolites even) aren't up to it. That's been my experience any how.

One way to tell if things are going badly with the Buck lock backs is to place your thumb on top of joint while doing this sort of hard cutting. On the weak ones, you'll feel the lock bar move slightly as the backwards pressure increases. It's not something I experience on any of my Schrade lockbacks only on one particularly abused older Buck.

It's a real pity, imo, because I really like the handle shape of the medium Bucklite Max. I got mine hoping to replace the Opinel as my backpacking knife as it was the right size and weight.


Trail Stuff by Pinnah, on Flickr

I was very disappointed in how fast it deteriorated though. That got me more involved with the Buck sub-forum, more engaged with Bucks warranty department and exposed to lots of discussions on the sub-forum where it appears to me that the general blade play issues are not uncommon on many of the folders. Based on the discussions with their warranty/QC folks, it's worse with the plastic framed ones.

The bigger disappointment for me as somebody who's been a Buck customer since the 70s is to see the rock solid Buck lock up watered down to the level of cheap disposables. If I'm going to go that route, I'd rather get a simpler knife that is more durable and that gives me a flatter edge grind that is more useful for my EDC uses (includes cutting wood a lot). Hence the Opinel suggestion. If you've not tried one, you might try a $15 experiment. Get a #8 in Inox. Will set you back less than $20. Then go out of your way to bust it or damage it under hard abusive use. There's no warranty. They're made to use hard on farms and are very simple. I'll wager you'll find it nearly impossible to bust or damage.

One of the interesting things about the camming action of the Opinel lock ring is that it effectively removes any blade play that develops.

Really depends on what the OP is looking for out of an EDC knife. I wish, wish, wish there was an USA made knife that was tough, functional and inexpensive as the Opinel and I really, really, really wish that Buck would be company to do it.

If I were them (and I'm not - so this is pointless), I would flush the Bucklites and Bantams. Their sales are undercutting Bucks reputation and are a long term looser because of that. Instead, I would focus all my energy on the Vantage, Ecolite, classic (110, 500) and new Spitfires and I would work very hard to ensure the blade play issues disappear. We can hope.

To the OP... The Spitfire 722 or Slimline 721 (W***mart exclusive) might be a better bet for what you're looking for.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1093537-Spitfire-question

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Pinnah,

Almost every big knife company has a FRN handled knife design. Kabar Dozier and spyderco endura come to mind.

Are Buck's offering so inferior to other companies', or are none of them worth owning?
 
I had a Bantam a few years ago, I dropped it on cement from 4 feet above, after that the lock stopped working, It would lock the blade, but if I pushed down on the blade it would disengage, I didn't like the knife anyways, the handle felt cheap, the edge didn't last long (It could have been bad batch), the tip broke off. This isn't really a con but it rusted really easily, but that was my fault for not oiling it, I had the Buck Omni Hunter folder a few years ago as well, and boy did I love that knife! Unfortunately I lost it and never had a Buck knife again after that, maybe in the future. I've only had experience with the Bucklite Fixed knife, I like the blade shape and held a good edge, not sure about the folder
 
Pinnah,

Almost every big knife company has a FRN handled knife design. Kabar Dozier and spyderco endura come to mind.

Are Buck's offering so inferior to other companies', or are none of them worth owning?

No idea.

I'm only a) reporting on my experiences, b) summarizing what Buck told me or has said in public in the Buck forum and c) reporting what I've heard from collectors and mechanics I trust.

I had rotten luck with my Bucklite Max folders. I've had better luck with their older metal ones.
 
I would say go for it. I have a medium Bucklite max B&C Club stamped on it. For EDC, I would consider small Bucklite Max as well.
 
Pinnah,

Almost every big knife company has a FRN handled knife design. Kabar Dozier and spyderco endura come to mind.

Are Buck's offering so inferior to other companies', or are none of them worth owning?

Not familiar with the Bucks the OP is looking at or the Dozier but I know the Endura and Delica are absolutely worth the money. The FRN is grippy but not too aggressive so as to shred pockets. There are steel liners too. They are well above the OPs spending limit that was mentioned but definitely worth saving up for.
 
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