Buffer Accidents: User Error or Unavoidable?

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I'm planning to build a buffer, so I looked into safety. I saw a lot of hideous accident pictures on the Internet, and I also read about accidents here.

Here's what I'm wondering: are these machines inherently dangerous, or are people just using them incorrectly? For example, are they buffing on the upper half of the wheel? Are they holding small parts in their hands instead of using Vise-Grips? Are they standing in front of the buffer instead of beside it?

How hard is it to buff things safely?
 
I won't speak as the worlds most knowledgeable knife maker but I have a used a buffer for about 8 years and about 500 knives. I only buff the edge of bolsters and guards with a pair vise grips and gloves and I make sure my feet are not under the buffer. I also have a leather shop apron I only slip on when buffing or using angle grinder. With the angle grinder I wear a full face shield. Lastly I have a 3 1/2 inch steel bolt sticking up from the work rest on my drill press to keep blades from "helicoptering" when drilling. ( I have 8 stiches in my thumb flesh from drilling without a clamp) If one is really worried about buffing blades then put a wood screw through one or both of the tang holes and hold the blade tight on a scrap piece of 2x4 and buff one side at a time. These are only my opinions once again. Larry
 
User error. A buffer has no mind of its own.
I think what happens is that the mind of the operator wanders.
That's the case in the majority of shop accidents.
 
Personally I wouldn't use vise grips on something I'm buffing. One, I want more control and feel, second, I'm buffing, so I'm trying to get a polished surface which is in the opposite direction vise grip jaws go. You just need to be careful. You're using a high speed spinning wheel made from soft material and buffing a knife with very sharp edges and points that can get grabbed by the buffing wheel. They do not scare me one bit. I am just careful of what I'm doing and how i'm doing it. I stand to the side I have a very good grip on what I'm working with and use proper ppe.
 
Whenever you stop to look at the piece you're buffing - take one full step back!! That way when you lower the work piece you don't go directly into the buffer. Bad things will happen.
Ax me how I know.
 
I don't know if it will give the same finish but I'm looking into cork belts with no abrasive in them super grit also has felt belts with no abrasive then you just load them with your preferred polish
 
No the cork belts that you are talking about will not give you the same results but can be one way to help .
Frank
 
I went a long time without a buffer. Pretty much for risk vs. benefit for my knives. I don't make mirror polished blades and I thought I could get a similar finish on micarta and other materials using one of those drill buffers. Boy was I wrong, I finally got a buffer and just like all my other power tools and guns, respect it and what could happen if I'm not focusing.
Now I love the thing and use it all the time.
 
I buff complex-shaped pieces every day.
Buffing is a learned art. Accidents are not inevitable.
 
Depends on the part & type of wheel.
Soft & Loose wheels can be very grabby. Small parts hard to hold onto.

Inherently dangerous ?
No. One needs to pay attention & understand the mechanical process at hand.
 
User error. A buffer has no mind of its own.
I think what happens is that the mind of the operator wanders.
That's the case in the majority of shop accidents.

Everything Salem said.

I forget for a number of people that knifemaking is their introduction to manufacturing, metalworking, or any industrial process. But every accident I've seen or investigated or had happen to me has been the direct result of someone, usually the person injured, not paying attention to what they are doing because they are either complacent, or unable to think critically about the process and avoid getting into danger.

Buffing is no different. A buff is a soft wheel. Soft wheels grab sharp edges directed against the rotation of the wheel. Therefore keep sharp edges pointed with the direction of the wheel. That's pretty simple algebra.

When I broke my finger drilling a hole, it was because I was drilling into an existing hole and did not use a clamp or a stop bolt, so the part helicoptered and took my ring finger with it. Contrary to popular belief here, drilling without clamping is not inherently dangerous, there are many things you can do to mitigate the danger, such as paying attention to when your drill is going to break through the material and reducing the force you're feeding with, or, in plastic materials, stoning the web of the drill flat. But drilling into an existing hole larger than the web of the drill is never ok without a solid setup because there is no inherent axial resistance on the web of the drill preventing it from corkscrewing in. I knew that and did it anyway because I was in a hurry.

When I broke and degloved my index finger in a brake press, it was because I was tired, the work was mind numbing, and I had checked out for the night. So I didn't even notice that my finger supporting the part in the fixture was under the part, between it and the fixture, when the ram came down. Nothing inherently dangerous about the fixture or the machine. Lots of inherent danger in not paying attention to what I'm doing.

People wail and gnash their teeth about dealing with long stringy chips from turning low carbon steel, as if simply looking at them will cut them to shreds. I remove them from parts, from chip beds, from anything that doesn't require much force by hand, without a glove, and never get cut, because I pay attention. Because I know they're sharp, and that if my grip slides, they will cut me no matter if I was wearing a glove or not. So if they take any force to remove, I use a pick or pliers.

I'm just using examples of myself here, but in nearly 20 years of working in foundries, machine shops, weld shops, factories, I've yet to see an accident caused because something was "inherently" dangerous. 100% user error.
 
I don't know if it will give the same finish but I'm looking into cork belts with no abrasive in them super grit also has felt belts with no abrasive then you just load them with your preferred polish

Felt belt loaded with compound is the closest you can get on the belt machine. Still not quite the same but very useful in my opinion. Also grabby, but not as grabby as a buff.
 
I have two, a 3600 rpm and an 1800 rpm. Both will wax your ass if you're not focused, but that 3600, to me, is the most dangerous tool in the shop. Split second chaos.
 
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Thanks for the input.

I didn't want to pick on people who had been injured, but it seemed odd to me that there were a lot of accident stories, and I wondered what the problem was. It sounds like the buffer is just like other tools: only as dangerous as the user.
 
It's like guns. Yes, they are dangerous. But there is a group of people out there who think a negligent discharge is "inevitable" and "happens to everyone.". That's nonsense. And unacceptable. Most people honest with themselves will be the first to admit an accident was a result of their complacency.

I feel sorry for those who were injured by someone else's complacency. Fortunately most of us work alone.
 
While I do agree it is user error, a buffer is inherently a tool that is easy to mess up with. the buffer material can catch on your blade and cause serious injury, whether your stupid or not.
 
Like most of us here, I've learned though experience, some of them not pleasant. I still use the big buffer for large surfaces, but when doing small pieces like guards and ferrels I have started using the below hand held buffer. Just cut squares from old levi material and mount on a screw mandrel. It performs really well and there are no sudden accidents. Matter of fact it does a better job than the big model by working inside curves an the like.
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When I look at the work of new users trying to buff to high polish; it's not sanded / prepped to a high enough finish

They they try to shortcut by buffing long and hard.

You see some high polished areas with scratches in it , straight lines and corners rounded and wiped out.
Flat planes wavy





High pressure buffing is bound to get caught and flung.


You can see my bias, I'm not fond of buffed finished.



If you take time, like screwing blades to boards, the larger board and less likely to grab that edge since it's screwed to the board.
 
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A buffer is no more inherently dangerous than an other tool in the shop, and I'm NOT just talking about power tools. I've hurt myself worse with a flat tip screwdriver than I ever have with a buffer, and that (as are most ''accidents") was due to negligence and/or complacency.

Use some common sense, focus, proper safety gear and proper technique, and you'll never get hurt by one.

A buffer is little more than a spinning motor with a wheel on the end. What kind of injury it is capable of, is up to you.
 
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