Busse as a hedge against a falling economy.

Haole

Haole

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Yeah the economy is tight but why not put INFI on the metals market? Really? What good is paper in a crunch? What good is gold? It is too soft to be used for anything but staring at.

Sell all your luxuries while you can and buy tangibles.....
 
Sure, but does a large enough market exist to support such a strategy? Would it be plausible that if 20 people each purchased on average $20K worth of INFI, they would be able to each enjoy a worthwhile return on investment within a reasonable amount of time? That is, would those 20 people be able to take $400K worth of semi-custom knives to market within the next two to three years and earn a decent rate of return? Think of that for a moment, and then try to scale it to 50 or 100 people.
 
When Wall Street is down, the recent trend is that other valuable commodities are up such as collect ables, such as hot rods for instance (vintage mustangs, corvettes, GTOs), . Why not INFI? Damn near indestructible and does not consume anything except trees, 2x4s, concrete blocks and whatever else comes to mind (vintage mustangs, corvettes, GTOs) No No No anything but the Judge.
 
The judge?

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All I can say is I've seen smart knife collectors earn 25%-50% appreciation on their collections over the last few years (that's over a few years, not annual growth), while the markets have lost money over the same period. Even a not-so-smart collector would have beaten the market investing in knives instead of stock indexes, as the cost of metals went up during that time, as well as the cost of production, and knives haven't tanked like the indexes have. Limited edition knives have continued to enjoy strong demand, particularly those of well-known, high-quality manufacturers like Benchmade. I would say appreciation of those over the last few years is about 30%. Those who chose their customs carefully have seen even greater returns over the same period.

It's real money, boys. Compare the value of your knife "investments" to where your family members have put their dough over the last few years (IRAs or whatever), and who looks like the braniac now.
 
Balislinger said:
All I can say is I've seen smart knife collectors earn 25%-50% appreciation on their collections over the last few years (that's over a few years, not annual growth), while the markets have lost money over the same period. Even a not-so-smart collector would have beaten the market investing in knives instead of stock indexes, as the cost of metals went up during that time, as well as the cost of production, and knives haven't tanked like the indexes have. Limited edition knives have continued to enjoy strong demand, particularly those of well-known, high-quality manufacturers like Benchmade. I would say appreciation of those over the last few years is about 30%. Those who chose their customs carefully have seen even greater returns over the same period.

It's real money, boys. Compare the value of your knife "investments" to where your family members have put their dough over the last few years (IRAs or whatever), and who looks like the braniac now.
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I concur, and yield my time back to the floor for further discussion.
 
I never planned on this INFIction becoming a hedge.....but with over 100 slivers of Wauseon craft gathered in the last 7 years, I guess I've at least broken even (and probably seen a nice gain :thumbup:) which is a lot more that I can say for any of my long term investments over the same period. :thumbdn:

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Right now I agree that it's a buyer's market, but if you don't know what to buy you could be worse of then when you started.

I think production wise I would only collect Spydies since they offer most times a great return on your investment if your buying the discontinued Models.

For custom and semi customs.

Busse usually goes up after each Ganzaa.
Emerson Customs
Mayo

One off by Les Robertson and also Tad gear

I try to collect or accumulate good tools, by great makers who have a high collectibility within the knife community.

The one great thing is though if you are short on Cash the knives can be let go rather quickly in order to tide you over.

take care eh
aj
 
aj1985 said:
Right now I agree that it's a buyer's market, but if you don't know what to buy you could be worse of then when you started.

aj
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Just buy Busses when you have cash to spend on them, and stay out of debt. In other words:

1. When in a hole, stop digging.
2. When both feet are on level ground, buy INFI.

You might be able to use INFI to fill in a hole that you dug (possibly while buying INFI) but it will take a long time and most people's time preferences are shorter than this strategy would require.
 
Moloko Plus said:
Just buy Busses when you have cash to spend on them, and stay out of debt. In other words:

1. When in a hole, stop digging.
2. When both feet are on level ground, buy INFI.

You might be able to use INFI to fill in a hole that you dug (possibly while buying INFI) but it will take a long time and most people's time preferences are shorter than this strategy would require.
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Another big problem is many of us just love using our knives.
For many of us, myself included knives are like crack. Once we get some we just gotta use em and get our fix. :D

I do agree with you though there are many brands that do hold their value well and do rise.

take care bro
aj
 
In a SHTF economy, a great knife is worth a lot....maybe everything.
 
I have wondered the same too, about knives in general. My sole Busse is a collector for now, but I don't buy anything that I would not mind keeping and using. Like Moloko Plus said, the funds to buy Infi should be somewhat discretionary.

That said, I plan to buy more Busses, but am studying up on what the acronyms mean along with what fair prices for the knives are.
 
Outside of some collectors driving up prices on certain older models, the Busse market is soft now. If you bought any of the majority of models at the peak last year, then you would not likely recoup your cost if you had to sell now. OTOH, if you were an old Hog, and bought them way back when at factory prices, you are probably doing OK now, even after inflation. The shop has really been pumping out the Customs in the last 18 months, so the market may well be saturated, and the former flipping strategy is not working so well lately. Even the SFNO LE are not flying off the Exchange, unless sellers drop the price to find the willing buyer.

The whole thing is sort of like a pyramid scheme, as we need more new piglets to expand the market. So go tell all your friends about the amazing INFI!
 
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