Busse Combat "air bleeder" strop???

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Stumbled upon this recently whilst browsing and was curious if anyone had tried this?

Seems to be logical, though a tad gimmicy.....

http://www.bussecompanystore.com/knives.htm (couple of items down).

Anyone have any experience though? How will these fare for maintaining a convex edge on a Khuk compared to say the Lee Valley strop?

Thanks
 
The strop is designed for final finish of the steel. If the leather flexes, I would think that this would limit control, and would vary the angle of contact.

I use HandAmerican leather - or other leather - glued down to a wood backing, but I like the smooth side up on the leather. I have tried all sorts of stropping compounds, including Flexcut Gold, Lee Valley, and .5 micron diamond paste.

I really like to use valve grinding compound with 1200 grit carborundum powder in it.
 
Looks great to me. You could use 2" wide rolls of abrasive cloth over the leather for the initial sharpening too. Wouldn't be hard to make either.

Steve
 
I think paying good money for a strop is a waste. I go to thrift stores and buy old single ply leather belts with no stitching. Were taling 2 dollars here. Then I cut it in half and glue the halves to a scrap of wood. Drill a hole to hang it by and voala. That comes to a dollar a strop. I would NEVER buy a strop from Lee Valley, or Busse for that matter. I've never heard of anyone using the smooth side of the leather to strop. I'm willing to give that a try though. Do you have to reload the strop mor often?
 
I don't have to reload the leather very often. In fact, I haven't done it yet with the strop I use the most.

I agree with you on spending money on a "factory" strop - it is easy enough to just make your own.

Any abrasive is going to embed itself in the surface of the leather. I would guess that if you are using something with a lot of wax and little abrasive - then you might want to add some over time. I think that what happens is that as you strop a blade that has even a small bur on the edge, you serate the surface of the leather and it will hold the abrasive better.

HandAmerican sells a leather that has a pattern embossed in the surface for just this purpose - but I find that regular leather works fine....

And I like the quick action of the 1200 grit silicon carbide valve grinding goop. It gives a nice edge. The abrasive embeds itself in the surface of the leather, so it is not like sharpening with a diamond stone. The particles become finer as you use the strop. It gives a good edge and fast. I used it on some gouges that I got from Woodcraft, and they quickly scared the hair off my skin.
HandAmerican sells abrasives at an amazing variety of grits - including much finer powders than 1200 grit.
 
aproy1101 said:
I've never heard of anyone using the smooth side of the leather to strop.
I use the smooth leather side to strop my straight razor. I think it's necessary given the fragile edges straight razors have.
 
Interesting. See learn something new every day. I've been stropping my knives since I was a kid, but had never used the smooth side. Thanks guys.

Oh. I use two abrasives with my strops. Tripoli to sharpen and the yellow cake stuff to polish. Strops make people who really can't sharpen a knife good sharpeners.
 
I didn't say I would pay money for one.:) But I love the design. Like you, I just glue a piece of leather to a board.

Steve
 
It does look easy to make. Just seems like re-inventing the wheel.
 
aproy1101 said:
Interesting. See learn something new every day. I've been stropping my knives since I was a kid, but had never used the smooth side. Thanks guys.

Andy if you were old enough to remember whenever you got a haircut the *Barber*, a man, *NOT* a stylist and a woman, would shave behind your ears and the back of your neck with a straight razor nicely stropped on his *smooth leather* hanging loose razor strop you'd have known what all us old farts just know.;)
More often than not the razor strop also had another strop made of a heavy canvas looking sort of material for stropping right after honing on the whetstone, *NOT* a wetstone.
The object was to whet your knife on the whetstone, NOT* wet it on a wetstone.;) :rolleyes: :p
The double strops really hurt when ya got yer ass busted with one because it was getting hit twice every strike.:eek: :grumpy: :(
The strop was adjusted for the amount of slack by how hard the barber pulled on it when stropping his razor.
But back in those days you would often see men layed way back in the barber chair with a couple of steaming hot towels covering his face in preparation of getting shaved with said straight razor.
Said razor strops were fine for razors and large and small straight edged knives. Weren't worth a cow pie on recurved or curved edges because they were way too wide, usually about 3" although they did vary somewhat in width.
After steaming your beard soft with the steaming hot towels the barber would then use a real badger hair bristle brush in a mug with a cake of hard shaving soap that created steaming white suds that was lathered on your face and neck.
You never *Argued* politics or religion with your barber and especially *NOT* just before he put that razor at the base of your throat.
A quick swipe sideways and it was all over in 10 minutes or less.;) :eek: :D
 
I remember the old guy with the straight razor and his strop....
But I enjoy getting my hair cut much more now, with the young lovely ladies!
 
I have an air bleeder strop. It is pretty nice, rugged and well built. I haven't put it to much use yet, but I like the fact that you can adjust the tension by turning the knob. Price might be a little steep, but I got it for Christmas. It actually is cheaper than the time it would take me to build one from scratch- cutting and drilling the aluminum, tapping, lathing a handle and sanding. It would take me a while. I also dont think I could build it as nice myself, so I think it is a fine deal.
 
Yvsa said:
Andy if you were old enough to remember whenever you got a haircut the *Barber*, a man, *NOT* a stylist and a woman, would shave behind your ears and the back of your neck with a straight razor nicely stropped on his *smooth leather* hanging loose razor strop you'd have known what all us old farts just know.;)

My barber is a Serbian man and got out of there to Canada as the war started. It wouldn't surprise me if he was ex-military as he has that rugged, fit look about him and dark, steely eyes. He still uses a straight razor and strops it on a leather strop attached to the wall by the chair. It always frightens me to death, so much so I stop breathing when he does my neck and sideburns :eek: I said to him once, "I have one of those, brand new in the box. It was my dads, but am too frightened to use it". His answer was "leave it to the professionals, they do a lot of damage". Good advice. I imagine him slitting throats at a previous time. He is a proper barber and takes care of all the wayward hair you get past a certain age, eyebrows, nasal hair and those wispy bits that appear from your ears. I guess if it doesn't grow on the top of my head it has to come out somewhere. :D
 
I have a German made Jemico strop that is very similar.

One side is green chrome and the other side just leather.

I have a belt sander, but I never use it because this strop is so fine

I can cut a sheet of sandpaper short side and it lays right over the strop.

I can loosen it up for steep edges and tighten it for flatter edges. It's awesome! Can't reccomend it enough, it's a bit cheaper than the Busse, but the Busse looks bigger:

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=J42
 
Andrew Taylor said:
I said to him once, "I have one of those, brand new in the box. It was my dads, but am too frightened to use it". His answer was "leave it to the professionals, they do a lot of damage"
I shave using a straight razor when I have the time. It's my favorite way. I guess you and I are opposites because I'd rather do it myself because I know my abilities. I'm much more afraid of letting some stranger near me with a straight razor.
 
kamagong said:
I shave using a straight razor when I have the time. It's my favorite way. I guess you and I are opposites because I'd rather do it myself because I know my abilities. I'm much more afraid of letting some stranger near me with a straight razor.

Wow, I'm impressed. My barber only cuts my hair, he doesn't give me a facial shave, just trims up the back of my neck and sideburns after a hair cut. I don't think I could hold my breath long enough for him to do my throat :D

I did get the razor out once and thought I would see if I could shave my arm, but then I realised I didn't know what angle to hold the razor, or how much to press and how much to slide? Did you teach yourself or did someone show you?
 
Andrew Taylor said:
Did you teach yourself or did someone show you?
It's really not that bad. All you need is a steady hand and patience.

Before I started to shave with a straight I did a lot of research on the web. I read all that I could on the subject. After that, I just did it. There is a bit of trial and error involved and it takes a lot of practice to become adept. To be quite honest, I did cut myself a few times. I actually cut myself this morning. It's never anything serious though. And I find it's all worth it. Using a straight gives me the closest shave I've ever experienced. Not to mention the fact that I find the whole ritual incredibly enjoyable. It certainly helps me to wake up and focus in the morning.

If you really want to see something impressive you should talk Sarge. IIRC he occassionally shaves with a knife. :eek:
 
Make your own 'air bleeder strop'

you can make two for about $7 (+leather) & an hour labor

start with a wood wood-clamp
[f'rinstance]
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http://www.coastaltool.com/cgi-http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/PROD/SDA2-TZ7904
these already have opposing 'nuts' & threads on each bolt/threaded-rod
Buy an offbrand version for ~$6 on sale [12" size]
maybe twice that price regularly

simplest---
take out the 'bolt' on the square end
insert thru end holes in leather
reinsert screw into clamp
strop on.

cut the clamp in half & you have two adjustable strops

replace the bolt with threaded rod from hardware store
to easily extend it 3'-4'

sand & finish the wood to make it prettier


:D

now, if you want a BIG adjustable strop . . . . . . .

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you can make two for about $7 (+leather) & an hour labor
Using clamp hardware is a great way to go, ddean! Now that you point it out, I'm sure the "Air Bleeder" is made with the same components as a cabinet maker's clamp.

But, looking at the photo of the Busse "Air Bleeder" strop, it looks like the smooth side of the leather is charged with the abrasive, rather than the rough side as people around here generally advocate for knives bigger than a straight razor. What do you make of that?

Why wouldn't the smooth side be better? Since you want the abrasive to do the work, the rough side of the leather would allow only the abrasive that winds up on the "high" areas to work for you. The abrasive that ends up in the "pits" of the roughness wouldn't ever touch the knife. Seems like you have more contact surface area using the smooth side of the leather.

Cheers,

Matt
 
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