Busse FFFBM it chews everything

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MARSUS

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This test I have immediately done it after that of the Randall 14 and of the Busse Sarsquatch,always for our Italian forum and mostly for my fun-
This has been the my according to knife Busse,it is very beautiful and mighty ,it is heavy but balanced and it is grasped well-With it I have cut of everything without it suffered damages,looms of seasoned oak,iron, steel and cement to abducted taking mixed with small black stones,the cement was very hard and to every hit sparks went out-the edge has been intact and he has had a small cut when I have struck another big knife,edge Vs edge-
At the end the Busse it cut as to the beginning of the test,a true indestructible beast-In the Italian forum we call "The Lady"-
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In the cut of the wood I have met a lot of grapevines and nails,in this photo the small damage of the Busse FFFBM is seen, the big knife has suffered a three turned bigger of it-
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Great pictures. Thanks for sharing!!
The FFBM is a beauty, I have one just like yours... :thumbup:

Is that other knife some Condor model?
 
At around .31" thick the FFBM is big and tough as hell, and it has a really thick factory edge (at least both of mine did). Hence, it is pretty much indestructible, unless you really try. Actually, I don't think anyone has ever broken an FFBM. At least I haven't heard of such a thing happening. :D With the factory edge, it isn't the finest cutter, but it is tough and it chops well. One of my favourite knives.

Nice pics :thumbup:
 
going to need a more detailed description of your test methodology, without the inclusion of a second knife, otherwise you just look like you are bashing Busse.
 
hardheart said:
going to need a more detailed description of your test methodology, without the inclusion of a second knife, otherwise you just look like you are bashing Busse.
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hello,the second knife is what I have struck with the Busse,I have written him to the beginning of the trhead,you see that the second knife is always with the belly to the air,for the test I have used only the Busse and I should learn better your language-
Thanks
 
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hardheart said:
going to need a more detailed description of your test methodology, without the inclusion of a second knife, otherwise you just look like you are bashing Busse.
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huh? It sounded like he was praising the Busse. Both knives got nicked in the edge-to-edge chop, which is no surprise, other than that it survived abusive conditions w/o edge damage. As usual, that's what Busse knives are known for.
 
I was joking. Though really, anyone who criticized the other thread should do exactly the same here. That is if they were really bothered by the limited info in the presentation, not just pissed because they didn't like the results. Don't be happy with good results for your favored brand if the test is run the same.

I await the suggestions on how Marsus can improve his presentation for a more fair and balanced representation.

;) (also, your english is good enough that I can understand what you are saying. no problems there)
 
hardheart said:
I was joking. Though really, anyone who criticized the other thread should do exactly the same here. That is if they were really bothered by the limited info in the presentation, not just pissed because they didn't like the results. Don't be happy with good results for your favored brand if the test is run the same.

I await the suggestions on how Marsus can improve his presentation for a more fair and balanced representation.

;) (also, your english is good enough that I can understand what you are saying. no problems there)
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a thanks of heart:thumbup:
 
hardheart said:
Though really, anyone who criticized the other thread should do exactly the same here. That is if they were really bothered by the limited info in the presentation, not just pissed because they didn't like the results. Don't be happy with good results for your favored brand if the test is run the same.
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Except that the test isn't the same: in this thread, there was no X versus Y comparison that omitted important details about the edge geometries of the knives tested. Some of the criticism directed at the other thread is valid here, as well, but some isn't. For example...

Valid criticism: very little detail given about the specifications of the knife (thickness, hardness, width of blade, thickness of edge, stuff like this), very little detail about actual testing methods, and so on. These are typical "flaws" in any user-made test that isn't meant to be scientific. But, since in this thread the knife wasn't really compared to another (except by striking edge-to-edge, once, apparently) the specifications aren't as critically important as in a direct comparison type of test.

Invalid criticism: matching two knives with very different edge geometries against each other without actually mentioning that little tidbit of information - in this thread, this was not done.

The point here being that in this case, there was no brand vs brand comparison that omitted important information about the knives. Therefore there is much less to criticize here than in that other thread. Here, the Busse tested is also a more typical Busse (one with a thick edge) instead of one that represents perhaps 2 % of Busse production (very thin slicing convex edge on the CE Sarsquatch of the other thread). Also, the Busse chosen for the test was more appropriate for the job: if you intend to chop concrete, a thick knife with a thick edge would be good, and the FFBM certainly qualifies better than most. And finally, here the results don't go against a rather large pool of user experience from various corners of the world: this test claims the FFBM is tough, and no one is surprised, since everyone knew it already. If this test included a comparison, the FFBM versus some .08" thin kitchen knife, and trashed the kitchen knife for doing worse than the far thicker FFBM without mentioning the specs... well, then this test would suck too. :p

So, much less to criticize here, although there still isn't much info about the knife given, which is a flaw that would be trivially easy to fix. That is one suggestion on how the tests could be improved to give a more reasonable view on the performance of the knife. Yeah, the FFBM chops concrete very well, but how does it do slicing cucumber? If the test included the specifications and told the FFBM was .31" thick, there would be the answer to that question. ;) Logic and common sense dictate that this test is far more reasonable than the other, though still suffers from some common flaws.
 
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Yeah, the FFBM chops concrete very well, but how does it do slicing cucumber?
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I haven't tried a cucumber but I did try a tomato :D

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Well to be fair, the edge on this was seriously reprofiled by a member here.

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But even with this profile I chopped a lot of hard seasoned wood on a day hike and had no edge damage or loss of sharpness. It got one barely visible ding when I hit a rock with it.
 
The FFBM destroys everything. No surprise there! It's one of my very favorite knives.

I'd like to add a +1 for the big, brutish, German butcher knife. That thing is crazy- it makes a FFBM look downright dainty! :thumbup: I'll take two, please!
 
Hardheart wrote - "I was joking. Though really, anyone who criticized the other thread should do exactly the same here. That is if they were really bothered by the limited info in the presentation, not just pissed because they didn't like the results. Don't be happy with good results for your favored brand if the test is run the same.

I await the suggestions on how Marsus can improve his presentation for a more fair and balanced representation."


Nothing much more to say here. Limited information, no revelations, and nice pictures. Also, no comparisons between knives, and therefore no radical differences in the two knives tested. In other words less to criticize in this thread, so much less none is warranted.

I think the end of the other thread speaks for itself. So will the end of this one. Being sarcastic is an art....
 
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hardheart said:
I was joking. Though really, anyone who criticized the other thread should do exactly the same here. That is if they were really bothered by the limited info in the presentation, not just pissed because they didn't like the results. Don't be happy with good results for your favored brand if the test is run the same.

I await the suggestions on how Marsus can improve his presentation for a more fair and balanced representation.

;) (also, your english is good enough that I can understand what you are saying. no problems there)
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Good post!

Thanks again MARSUS for taking the time, effort and expense to perform this short review :thumbup:
 
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