Busse - Satin Jack Tac - SJT - Tan

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DWRW

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Busse - Satin Jack Tac (SJT)

Mint / Brand NEW with a solid Tan blade and Tan handles.

$290.00includes Priority shipping

SOLD - PAID & Shipped

Please add 3% for PayPal

Email me at dwarren9@houston.rr.com

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combatready - picture and email sent

but.......

Motionman2 was first "I'll take it", so if I understand protocal for Bladeforums correctly, first "I'll take it" is typically the winner.

So, Motionman2 is currently the winner pending payment details.

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No offense to motionman2, but that kind of sucks for combatready. There should be a forum rule that requires you to post a pic of whatever you are selling. Yes, it's a pain, but big deal. Everybody knows what a particular Busse model looks like, but they don't know what the knife you are selling looks like. Busse or otherwise, I personally would never buy somebody else's used knife without a pic. Who knows what the knife has been through.

For anyone selling a knife that is in "high demand", there will always be somebody to say "I'll take it" just so they can be first in line. If they don't like what they see later on, then they can just reneg on the deal, which then becomes a PITA for the seller. I'm not saying that is going to happen this time, but it seems to me that combatready was first on the scene. Why should he be penalized just because he wanted a pic???

Like I say, requiring pics for items being sold should be a rule here. For the most part, it would put cases like this to rest. :mad:
 
Cases like what to rest? On most forums the first "Ill take it" gets it. Maybe he should have posted that in his for sale post but why should he wait around for tire kickers. He said it was "Mint / Brand NEW" why do you need to see a pic of something like this? Either you want it or your thinking about it. The seller shouldnt have to wait for you to think about it.
 
on_the_edge said:
Everybody knows what a particular Busse model looks like, but they don't know what the knife you are selling looks like. Busse or otherwise, I personally would never buy somebody else's used knife without a pic. Who knows what the knife has been through.
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"Mint / Brand NEW"
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Rules?? :eek: Not more rules! DWRW didn't say anything about rules but used words like "typically" to describe his precedent in accepting the first "I'll take it." I think it probably works the way most people like it and this may be addressing a problem that doesn't exist. I would want pics of a used, non-mint knife too... UNLESS the price was just that good and I wanted a user. Ie., something like a $150 user NO-E. I'd buy it sans pics. :rolleyes:

Combatready: Good luck finding an SJT if that's what you've decided on... I hope you liked the pics I posted re: your Hell Razor request in the Busse Forum yesterday.

(gimmejr was faster on the gun... I basically concur. ;-) )
 
This thread is not a personal attack it is just my opinion on what you stated above..
...how do you know combatready wasn't just a guy that digs looking at pictures of that particular style knife and had no intention of buying? And he also had the opportunity to give the first "I'll take it" only to reneg later. Personnally I think that method of operation is not cool but a way to stop that would be to require people to purchase what they say they'll "take" like on auction sites and if they have a history of renegging then maybe get blackballed.. I agree with you it would be nice to have a picture of the knife to help make the decision for guys like me that don't know every model and color combo by heart or are afraid the knife may look like it's been at the bottom of the swamp for three years.. But some people will sit in limbo even if they were holding the knife in their hand..How many guys reading this have wished at one time or another that they would have acted faster on a deal. I stayed up all night last night trying to decide on a purchase that had plenty of pictures. Any number of people could have "taken it" while I was "deciding" and it would have been my fault and my loss. I took the deal finally and four minutes later someone else was bummed because they waited too long. That could have been me if I waited 5 minutes longer or he was 5 minutes faster.But the damned thing had been up for sale at least 10 hours.
You just have to be willing to gamble if you really want a knife. If it is a "user" sight unseen you have to decide if you want to take the chance and want the knife bad enough to gamble. If not, walk away and be happy for the guy who had the cojones to step up first and say "I'll take it.":D
 
First firm "I'll take it" should get it. This is a simple, unambiguous practice, available to everyone. A seller shouldn't be expected to wait around while someone examines pictures, then decides. Then the question becomes how long he should wait. One day? Two days, a week? All these issues go away by honoring a simple I'll take it.

There is another issue with "I'll take it's", however. This has happened to me twice. I fire off an E-mail saying i'll take it, and then post an I'll take it on the thread. Simultaneously, someone first posts I'll take it on the thread, then sends the E-mail.

In both cases, the seller honored the E-mail and I got the knife. If he had decided to do the opposite, I would have understood. If I ever post a knife for sale, I will clearly state that the first E-mail take it will rule. If a seller posts his conditions, then no one has any grounds for complaint.
 
Well DWRW is obviously an honest man of his word. We all know that is not the case with everyone. Just look at "the good, the bad, and the ugly" subforum here. I just looked at it and just on the first 2 pages, there are at least 4 "pissed off" posts. I don't know the details of each of those posts, but I think that posting pics could eliminate unwarranted expectations on the part of the buyer or misrepresentation on the part of the seller.

I certainly understand that folks don't want to wait around for someone to make up their mind while people are literally lining up to buy something. I also understand the simplicity and clarity of the first "I'll take it" protocol. I just think that as among all prospective buyers, it is fairer to give first dibs to the person who first expressed an interest so long as they decide quickly (the photos help them to do this). Of course, this may be less fair to the seller because now he/she has to wait around 5 minutes, 1/2 hour, whatever, waiting for a buyer to decide. But I don't think that is a huge deal, especially with knives that are going to sell regardless. I always see posts on here about somebody NOT getting a knife they paid for, but I don't really see too many posts by sellers saying somebody stiffed them in what they thought was a done deal. The sad truth is, if a buyer renegs on a deal a gets a bad rep, he only has to go out and create a new ID here and he is good to go. Of course, the same could be said of an unscrupulous seller. :confused:
 
Sorry for creating a situation guys.

That was not my intent.

I tried to be as fair and reasonable about it as I could.

I have and had no reason to be biased towards a given buyer.

To me, the first person to commit to taking a given item is more relevant than the first person who inquires about a given item.

I posted this knife describing reasonably accurately what it was and that it was in MINT/ Brand New condition (It was not used and specifically and clearly states otherwise - where did that come from ????). I included the color of the blade and handle.

I would post pictures here, but I am not interested in hassling with using outside servers to host my pictures.

I am fine with sending pictures via email and would happily post pictures if this forum hosted pictures (like Knifeforums...).

I am sorry to combatready if he was truly interested in purchasing and I replied to his email (with a picture) even after the knife was spoken for.

I have had situations where people have asked for pictures and information for days and never purchased.

It seems to me that the most common practice has been for the first "I'll take it" to be the winner. I went with what seemed most common and what seemed most fair as best I know how.

In future auctions, I guess I should state in my auction: "First I'll take it - Gets it!". Maybe this will help avoid issues (????).

I am happy to provide pictures to those who request pictures, but to me the first person to commit to taking a given item is more relevant than the first person who inquires about a given item.

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Recently, I did sell a 2nd duplicate knife (that I intended to keep - but changed my minde) to a 2nd chance buyer because the first person who was inquiring via many emails about a knife never commited until a few minutes after someone posted an I'll take it on the forum. Then the 1st person inquiring quickly sent me an email saying he wanted it and quickly sent payment via PayPal. But, the times stamps from his "I'll take it" email were clearly after the time stamp from the forum post "I'll take it".

Luckily, I had a duplicate knife in that case to make everybody happy. But, I don't currently have a spare SJT just like the one posted. I have another, but I have been doing modifications to it for my personal use.


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Again, and formerly to all,

I appologize to combatready if he feels I have done him wrong.

My understanding of fair and my intents is explained above.

I hope it is excepted as fair and rational.

I wish the best of luck to combatready in finding another SJT.

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DWRW - You did everything by the numbers! :thumbup: Exactly according to BF precedent and just what is commonly accepted.

Don't worry, be happy. ;)
 
DWRW,
I don't think you need to apologize for anything. You did not intentionally create any kind of a bad situation -- you're just trying to sell a knife. :)

I guess it just comes down to the way it works here. The "system" is less than perfect, and there is no such thing as a perfect world. I'm just trying to figure out if maybe there might be a better way. What I am seeing though is that there are going to be trade-offs, and requiring people to post pics may have a chilling effect on potential sellers here. Then they may just go somewhere else to sell their stuff.

Really, as a start, maybe we could just rid of knucklehead buyers/sellers altogether so as to mitigate any fear in a sale.
 
I bought a knife from DWRW in the past, He's a great seller.:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
MikeH said:
First firm "I'll take it" should get it. This is a simple, unambiguous practice, available to everyone. A seller shouldn't be expected to wait around while someone examines pictures, then decides. Then the question becomes how long he should wait. One day? Two days, a week? All these issues go away by honoring a simple I'll take it.

There is another issue with "I'll take it's", however. This has happened to me twice. I fire off an E-mail saying i'll take it, and then post an I'll take it on the thread. Simultaneously, someone first posts I'll take it on the thread, then sends the E-mail.

In both cases, the seller honored the E-mail and I got the knife. If he had decided to do the opposite, I would have understood. If I ever post a knife for sale, I will clearly state that the first E-mail take it will rule. If a seller posts his conditions, then no one has any grounds for complaint.
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I had something similar to this occur early in my collecting career. There was a Krein TK-1 up and I was the first person to see it (1 minute after the seller posted it). I immediately sent an email but neglected to post an "I'll take it" on the forum. As a result, someone else posted the "I'll take it" nearly an hour later and snaked it out from under me. My email had gone into the seller's junk mail folder.

As it turned out, Tom Krein himself intervened and offered to match the sales price on a brand new one, so everything worked out in the end. He earned me as a lifelong customer through that act.

Moral of the story:
Post first, PM next, email last

Rick
 
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