Busse Spear?

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emt1581

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Has anyone actually lashed one of their Busse's to serve as a spear for hogs/fish/small game/etc.?

Any proof that it worked (pics)??

I'm just curious if anyone has put the talon hole to good use other than for a hand guard?

I always thought the idea of the CS Bushman was awesome because it was designed to be used as a spear. But I think every Busse out there could serve the same purpose thanks to the talon hole.

-Emt1581
 
there was a guy on youtube who did that. i seem to work alright.
 
busse spear = spear of destiny. oh~oh, is that blasphemy? probably not on this forum...
 
Here is a funny tale which more or less makes you think twice about "the spear" idea ... back around 1988 -1989 IIRC I went up to Scotland to do a survival course with the Army and a few of us on the course had splashed out on some decent knives ... ( bare in mind this was pre Busse ) ... I had a Black Jack Destroyer ... one of the first knives I can ever recollect with a Res C grip ... and it came razor sharp with a 440C stainless blade ... good blade shape too ...

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Another mate had bought a Chris Reeves Jereboam ... he was still based in South Africa back then ... the knife looked very similar to this ...

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Anyway, his had the one piece hollow handle and he was itching to give it a go as a Spear ... back then Rambo was still fresh in our minds and it pre-dated all the more sensible Ray Mears type of survival programmes ... and on this Estate were a load of Red Deer. When not in the Rut the Deer congregate in single sex herds ... lots of hinds or a few Stags grouping together. We had noticed that near a tree line of Douglas Firs and Scotch Pine there was a wet mud pit from a stream which many of the Deer used to dose themselves in mud for relief from tic's and midges ... an ideal place for an ambush ... and this guy sorts out a spear from a good limb and has it lashed up with paracord ...

Up the tree he goes and crawls along a limb about 18 foot above the ground and he waits for a Deer and sure enough along comes this big Stag ... anyway ... not wanting to get impaled by the antlers he ducks out of straddling the Deer with his jump and going for a central spine target which just "might" have severed the spinal column and dropped the Deer on the spot ... instead he goes for jumping to the side and sticking the spear in the haunch for what would be a "lung" wound.

Next thing we know he does a cracking para roll off to the side ... no injuries for him ... but the startled Stag takes off like Hussain Bolt with this spear sticking out of it's back and it looks like this will be the last we see of his £200 knife ...:D

Lacking "binos" on the survival course we were seriously struggling to keep this Deer in sight but my mate must have run the best part of 5 mile chasing this Deer with initial directions being shouted by me and an air force pilot who were up the tree and could see the Deer for about the first 300 yards till it crested the hill top.

Anyway ... laughing my head off at my mates panic and cursing at the loss of his knife ... the pilot and me jump from the tree and run to the top of the hill to get a grand stand view of my mate running all around the far side of the hill shouting to us "can we see it ?". Naturally in typical Army humour we were busy telling him "it's over there" ... and then shouting "no, it's changed direction ... go the other way " ... I tell you I was nearly crying with laughter ...:D

So to cut a long story short ... I would never recommend strapping a knife to make a spear ... not unless you want to lose it ... the sensible thing is to sharpen the wood to make the spear ... had my mate done this the spear would likely have penetrated far deeper and possibly killed the deer on the spot. Instead the guard prevented it going further in and it ended up a total disaster.

The good news for us though was that he did all of this at dawn instead of dusk so we had the whole day to try and find the carcass. Around dinner time I noticed some crows circling a patch of high heather ... and we found the carcass and ended up dining like kings for the next few days :thumbup:

Amazingly the dogs belonging to the Ghillie for this estate found my mates knife about a week later and as he had the presence of mind to get his initials engraved on it he got it back. Lol ... he also got a whopping great bill for the Deer too ...:D Quite a bit more than the knife was worth ... :foot:

The Bill got framed and will no doubt still be hanging in the Mess behind the bar ...:D
 
Ridiculous.

Nonsense.

Last resort foolishness.

Possible? Yes, but much better alternatives exist.

ETA: I missed the previous post while typing.
 
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PeterPHWS said:
Here is a funny tale which more or less makes you think twice about "the spear" idea ... back around 1988 -1989 IIRC I went up to Scotland to do a survival course with the Army and a few of us on the course had splashed out on some decent knives ... ( bare in mind this was pre Busse ) ... I had a Black Jack Destroyer ... one of the first knives I can ever recollect with a Res C grip ... and it came razor sharp with a 440C stainless blade ... good blade shape too ...

Marauder1A008.jpg


Another mate had bought a Chris Reeves Jereboam ... he was still based in South Africa back then ... the knife looked very similar to this ...

100_0014.jpg


Anyway, his had the one piece hollow handle and he was itching to give it a go as a Spear ... back then Rambo was still fresh in our minds and it pre-dated all the more sensible Ray Mears type of survival programmes ... and on this Estate were a load of Red Deer. When not in the Rut the Deer congregate in single sex herds ... lots of hinds or a few Stags grouping together. We had noticed that near a tree line of Douglas Firs and Scotch Pine there was a wet mud pit from a stream which many of the Deer used to dose themselves in mud for relief from tic's and midges ... an ideal place for an ambush ... and this guy sorts out a spear from a good limb and has it lashed up with paracord ...

Up the tree he goes and crawls along a limb about 18 foot above the ground and he waits for a Deer and sure enough along comes this big Stag ... anyway ... not wanting to get impaled by the antlers he ducks out of straddling the Deer with his jump and going for a central spine target which just "might" have severed the spinal column and dropped the Deer on the spot ... instead he goes for jumping to the side and sticking the spear in the haunch for what would be a "lung" wound.

Next thing we know he does a cracking para roll off to the side ... no injuries for him ... but the startled Stag takes off like Hussain Bolt with this spear sticking out of it's back and it looks like this will be the last we see of his £200 knife ...:D

Lacking "binos" on the survival course we were seriously struggling to keep this Deer in sight but my mate must have run the best part of 5 mile chasing this Deer with initial directions being shouted by me and an air force pilot who were up the tree and could see the Deer for about the first 300 yards till it crested the hill top.

Anyway ... laughing my head off at my mates panic and cursing at the loss of his knife ... the pilot and me jump from the tree and run to the top of the hill to get a grand stand view of my mate running all around the far side of the hill shouting to us "can we see it ?". Naturally in typical Army humour we were busy telling him "it's over there" ... and then shouting "no, it's changed direction ... go the other way " ... I tell you I was nearly crying with laughter ...:D

So to cut a long story short ... I would never recommend strapping a knife to make a spear ... not unless you want to lose it ... the sensible thing is to sharpen the wood to make the spear ... had my mate done this the spear would likely have penetrated far deeper and possibly killed the deer on the spot. Instead the guard prevented it going further in and it ended up a total disaster.

The good news for us though was that he did all of this at dawn instead of dusk so we had the whole day to try and find the carcass. Around dinner time I noticed some crows circling a patch of high heather ... and we found the carcass and ended up dining like kings for the next few days :thumbup:

Amazingly the dogs belonging to the Ghillie for this estate found my mates knife about a week later and as he had the presence of mind to get his initials engraved on it he got it back. Lol ... he also got a whopping great bill for the Deer too ...:D Quite a bit more than the knife was worth ... :foot:

The Bill got framed and will no doubt still be hanging in the Mess behind the bar ...:D
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Ha!! Good story. I guess I never thought of that.

But really, how is spearing any different than stabbing without the pole attached? I mean if your buddy was holding the blade in his hand and made the same thrust, the deer would have still run off with the knife in it's back no?

Thanks

-Emt1581
 
What I mean't was for him to use a spear but without the knife attached ... just whittle a point on the wood and the spear could have been driven much deeper ... :thumbup:
 
PeterPHWS said:
What I mean't was for him to use a spear but without the knife attached ... just whittle a point on the wood and the spear could have been driven much deeper ... :thumbup:
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I was thinking the same thing, assuming the wood used could penetrate the hide without bending/breaking.

-Emt1581
 
Well the idea of a spear is to give you better reach this was good for early humans but thanks to their ingenuity the atlatl came about with much greater reach so, the best thing you could do with that busse is make an atlatl and some spears to use with it.
 
Nah! THe best thing he could have done with a BUSSE - would have been to just cut the head clean off!:eek:

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Keep your spears cheap.... they're expendable and you might never see them again even if you place your blade well


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BP, is that the cold steel bushman?

How's it hold up? Been thinking of that... inexpensive and simple for some fun target practice.
 
Have you ever speared a boar and had it drop?? If you hunt with dogs, you can use a Busse in the 10-14" range on large hogs. Up-close and personal. And you'll get your knife back, too. Usually you need a hound to bay, and 4+ Rhodesian Ridgebacks/Pits/Other good bite dogs. You stab behind the pig's shoulder and twist. It's very effective :) No tracking a blood trail for days or losing your kill. It'll drop right there for you.

Now, as to fish and small game. If you're throwing INFI into rocks in the bottom of a stream, creek, river, whatever- you're probably going to have some rolling on your edge. That's not ideal if you're not in a place to fix it to go after the next one. Same thing if you hit an unseen rock aiming for smaller game.

So, dogs or a bow are better options than an INFI spear in a hunting scenario of boar/small game in my mind. If you are really set on using a spear, use something cheaper that you won't miss so much when it leaves you.

The talon hole is functional and would work in your proposed application, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
 
I never did pick up that Bushman. Next time I get points on my Cabelas card I'll get one...FREE!

I just burned up my points on two lower parts kits for AR's I'm building otherwise I'd order one now.

That'll be next month's buy.

Thanks!

-Emt1581
 
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